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FuckRealityBringMeABook · 12/02/2026 09:39

SaturdayNext · 12/02/2026 09:03

There are around 500 murders in the UK alone every year, the vast majority carried out by non-trans people. Yet this event needs two long threads on MN, both of which fail to focus on the tragedy of the deaths but go on and on about the fact that the killer was trans.

There are some really strange values around here.

Around 10% by women, so the impact of a single AMAB murderer's crime being attributed to a woman is a statistically significant increase.

Helleofabore · 12/02/2026 09:46

A question I have is, is that trans guns subreddit category for people with transgender identities who have a love of guns?

Arraminta · 12/02/2026 09:47

ChickenCooper · 12/02/2026 07:46

@ThatCyanCat you are incorrect in this post. I did not at any point say that 'women using the word "man" for a male person as equivalent to a massive shooting.'

I was calling out the trans hate on this thread in response to posters stating that trans people are mentally unstable and using words like cosplayers, nuthouse, madness, altar of stupidity, insane etc.

But it clearly is a mental illness. If I insisted I was a unicorn and insisted I be treated as a unicorn and insisted everyone recognise me as a unicorn, I would obviously have mental health issues.

In less flippant terms, anorexia is a mental health issue as is body dysmorphia, and it is treated as a mental illness.

And of course transwomen are cos playing at being women, hence the fetish of only wearing ridiculously over-feminused clothing and tonnes of make up. No greying Sloggi knickers or baggy cardigans for them. No tucking their hair up in a pony tail and braving Tesco without make up on.

Nope, it's all satin push-up bras, high heels, dresses and lashings of lipstick. On a rainy Tuesday afternoon.

FuckRealityBringMeABook · 12/02/2026 09:50

FuckRealityBringMeABook · 12/02/2026 09:39

Around 10% by women, so the impact of a single AMAB murderer's crime being attributed to a woman is a statistically significant increase.

In other words, if women in Canada kill at the same rate as in the UK (and the figures seem to be roughly equivalent in developed Western nations), that[s around 80 people a year killed by women. This year that will be up to 90, a 12.5% increase.

AnSolas · 12/02/2026 10:07

W0rnout · 12/02/2026 07:21

One wonders if some posters ever stop to consider that the bile, vitriol , hate speech and lack of understanding that the transgender community face on threads such as this escalate MH difficulties and tragedy.

Yep

MN drove a man to pick up a gun and kill

He shot and killed his mother

He shot and killed his stepbrother

He shot and killed 3 girls in his local school

He shot and killed 2 boys in his local school

He shot and killed a woman in his local school

He shot and tried to kill 25 other people in his local school

He terrorised the rest of the survivors in the school

He terrorised the whole community as they will all have had family and/or friends in that school and likely know his mother and stepbrother too.

But its not the failing of the Canadian health care system

Or the justice system which allowed licensed guns to remain in the home

Or his fault as he could have unpluged from SM if that was a contributing factor to him choosing to take a gun and kill and attempt to kill.

But you do you.

AnSolas · 12/02/2026 10:13

Jimmy5bellies · 12/02/2026 07:33

I have looked at loads of pages of this though not the full thread. Almost every post I read is about the reporting of this person as "female in a dress" and how these are not women's crimes, moving on to more general posts about definitions of women, transgender people as mentally ill, in a cult etc.

Are there any posts that focus on the tragedy and the victims?

What are you asking for?

Preformative thoughts and prayers?

You can open a specific thread if you feel this one is failing your expectation.

AnSolas · 12/02/2026 10:20

Dannexe · 12/02/2026 08:04

That’s clearly a typo/error though

Wot?

the editor was off getting coffee when the intern pressed upload or copy/paste/upload

It is unprofessional and clearly whoever originally wrote that placed the killer in the classification "victim" to have moved from killers/shooters/suspects mother

Swiftie1878 · 12/02/2026 10:24

It is VERY important that this crime is NOT classified as having been committed by a woman.
Anyone who doesn’t understand that is deluded.

AnSolas · 12/02/2026 10:25

Jimmy5bellies · 12/02/2026 08:40

I was hoping to find out more given that the thread is in AIBU, not FWR, and is called "at least 7 dead after school shooting in BC". I thought it might be a news and information focused thread....

Google is your friend normally...

This thread is pointing out that you are better off on X or here to fact check what the MSM are pushing as news and information.

EvangelineTheNightStar · 12/02/2026 10:30

AnSolas · 12/02/2026 10:13

What are you asking for?

Preformative thoughts and prayers?

You can open a specific thread if you feel this one is failing your expectation.

Probably more…. Stop talking about the issues behind this?

BunfightBetty · 12/02/2026 10:35

EvangelineTheNightStar · 12/02/2026 10:30

Probably more…. Stop talking about the issues behind this?

Absolutely, that's the real motivation behind the pious scolding that posters should be focusing (ONLY!!) on how tragic it is for the victims.

Jimmy5bellies · 12/02/2026 10:36

AnSolas · 12/02/2026 10:13

What are you asking for?

Preformative thoughts and prayers?

You can open a specific thread if you feel this one is failing your expectation.

I have been clear I thought it was a general info newsy thread.

No doubt if I did start another it would be likewise taken over.

Helleofabore · 12/02/2026 10:39

And yet, people are discussing what is being reported in the news....

FFS over two threads there are links to news reports from around the fucking world about this incident. It is all there to read and discuss as anyone on the threads wishes to.

Helleofabore · 12/02/2026 10:45

BunfightBetty · 12/02/2026 10:35

Absolutely, that's the real motivation behind the pious scolding that posters should be focusing (ONLY!!) on how tragic it is for the victims.

Or discussing only the motivations that some people want to discuss, without any depth of discussion about some aspects of the background of the shooter....

They want to read about the 'motivation' of the shooter but only from certain aspects.

Jimmy5bellies · 12/02/2026 10:48

I don't understand why if you have a young person who is clearly struggling in many ways you would also have a house full of guns.

AnSolas · 12/02/2026 10:49

EvangelineTheNightStar · 12/02/2026 10:30

Probably more…. Stop talking about the issues behind this?

It could have been morbid speculation.

But the whine and lack of links suggests it was a bad wimmn should stay off AIBU and not notice that Canada is reporting a male killer as being female.

Or that Canada has decided that the word female includes humans with penis which is unscientific political ideology.

But yep lets all examine how MH may interact with mass killing but ignore how MH interacts with transgenderism ....

Shedmistress · 12/02/2026 10:49

Jimmy5bellies · 12/02/2026 10:48

I don't understand why if you have a young person who is clearly struggling in many ways you would also have a house full of guns.

Because there be bears in Canada?

Jimmy5bellies · 12/02/2026 10:51

Shedmistress · 12/02/2026 10:49

Because there be bears in Canada?

There are lions, leopards, cheetahs, buffalo and hippos in Africa, but when I lived there I did not have a house full of guns....

Shedmistress · 12/02/2026 10:57

Jimmy5bellies · 12/02/2026 10:51

There are lions, leopards, cheetahs, buffalo and hippos in Africa, but when I lived there I did not have a house full of guns....

I live in rural France and every farmer here will have a house full of guns. I don't personally but you really seem surprised that people who live in the middle of nowhere do.

MaturingCheeseball · 12/02/2026 10:58

I read that there was a police intervention with the guns - but the family had them returned according to “rights” legislation.

I can only imagine what it must be like to have a child who is clearly, well, dangerously mad. But as with the Southport killer and a school shooter in, was it, Maine? the parent is imo absolutely on the blame sheet if they allow that child to have weapons or, still worse, purchase them for the child.

MaturingCheeseball · 12/02/2026 10:59

There’s having some appropriately-stored hunting paraphernalia and buying your unstable teen weapons.

FuckRealityBringMeABook · 12/02/2026 10:59

Shedmistress · 12/02/2026 10:57

I live in rural France and every farmer here will have a house full of guns. I don't personally but you really seem surprised that people who live in the middle of nowhere do.

Are modified handguns much use in seeing off marauding bears?

AnSolas · 12/02/2026 11:01

Jimmy5bellies · 12/02/2026 10:36

I have been clear I thought it was a general info newsy thread.

No doubt if I did start another it would be likewise taken over.

You could always give it a try.

By stating you did not want to focus in the killer or name the killer etc you can ask MN to remove posts which derail your thread.

You then just need to report the posts as a derail and MN will decide on which posts remain on your thread

If you were still not happy you could email MN directly and discuss why you wanted the thread to progress along a fixed path.

You may not have noticed but the OP wants to explore why the State and MSM is pushing the agenda of transgenderism

When it created a public safety risk
a) the police already knew he was male and had killed his mother and stepbrother
b) the police has risk assessed that there could have been more than one killer

Then even after the facts are clear the reports still claim the killer was not male by using terms such as woman/female/she/her

Shedmistress · 12/02/2026 11:04

FuckRealityBringMeABook · 12/02/2026 10:59

Are modified handguns much use in seeing off marauding bears?

No idea, I expect it would be a better bet than no gun at all. I was being facetous about the bears which obviously needs explaining on here.

You know, the ignorance about other cultures and how they live is always interesting on here. Yes other countries particularly in rural areas have weapons. They get to know their weapons and probably buy other weapons and might well modify their weapons. Particularly if they have access to the internet and a huge lack of engagement with reality.

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