Lucy letby

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Do you think she did it ? Watched the documentary and I’m not sure she should have been convicted

Because the standard of care available at this neo-natal facility was the real culprit not the lowly nurse.

I think she's guilty, she absolutely shouldn't have had hundreds of handover notes in her house .

Some people are too busy using this case as entertainment to care about facts like that.

They just can't stomach that someone white from south of Birmingham could be a killer.
The campaign of course coincides with the significant rise in far right propaganda touted by posh tw@ts and others who need scapegoats for what a complete hellscape Britain now is.
Imagine if she was Muslim.

Yes she did it, I thought so before still do after the Doc. Even more so from hearing the number of babies dying on the unit was unusual when she was around. In the time they took her off duties until her final police interview 887 babies passed through the unit without a single 1 dying.

But what about before? Where babies dying at the same rate before Lucy Letby arrived?

The previous documentary I saw on her (BBC?) said they were going to investigate where she did her placement or worked before to see if there had been any incidents.

Her home life was very weird - certainly looked like she was up to something.

Why does that make her a murderer? Are you suggesting that she killed hundreds of babies now?

Thank you for demonstrating that you do not understand statistics.

You've just reminded me of when I was pregnant in early 2000s I was on newsgroups with another mother due a month before my dc. Her baby was born a week before mine and she gave them a distinctive name and middle name. Unfortunately the baby contracted an illness and died about 3-4 weeks after my dc was born.
She posted on the newsgroup, as people post on MN, and I'm sure I wasn't the only one who was very caught up in the situation.

After the baby died, Mum stopped posting and as far as I know the newsgroups stopped ages ago. But I still think about the family a few times a year. I hope that they're happy and I'd love to know that things looked up and life has treated them well.

I haven't ever tried FB search because I don't know Mum's real name, but I think I probably would have if I did.
However a year after baby had died, I did google her name and found a memorial site, and I left a message.

So I'd say it's fairly normal to think about parents in that situation and wonder how they're doing. Not from any nasty place, but because when you have worked through weeks of ups and downs and emotion, that connects you and it's natural to want to know how things are with the people you have connected with.

I think she's guilty. She didnt have much of a defence because there was no defence to be had IMHO.

I think she’s guilty.
I do think she had a poor defence and I don’t understand why. But still guilty.

I put way more faith in neo-natal expert Dr Shoo-Lee than any policeman.
What on earth do any of them know about neo-natal care?
Sweet Fanny Adam.

And she spent time putting them in order neatly in a box and labelled it “keep”.

Her comments on this were “I didn’t know to dispose of them” but a few seconds later says they should be shredded but she doesn’t have one. And not they found one at her house.

comments from latest around her behaviour when babies were dying is interesting as a few have said she seemed genuinely excited.

She also emailed to ask when she’d be interviewed over the unexpected deaths as she was anxious.

Don’t seem too surprised when the police turned up at her door.

Do I think she’s guilty? Yes.

Do I think the conviction is safe? No.

I don't know if she is guilty or not but I certainly think her conviction is unsafe

That’s not true it was after - she was removed a few times and the events stopped each time - anyhow the downgrading doesn’t explain the cluster patterns

I know . I’m really glad she isn’t on a jury

I’m doubtful too.

She may have done it, but I certainly don’t think it was decided beyond reasonable doubt.

Ridiculous comment. Most people are not saying she is innocent, most are saying she was not convicted beyond a reasonable doubt. Her trial was a disaster. She will never Nurse again so it is a totally stupid moot point.

No idea, and that's the problem, the prosecution evidence is not strong, their "expert" not credible and the baby unit had significant issues and deaths that she could not have been responsible for.

This won't go away until we know for sure, and to be honest I don't want to see her being freed in 20 years time when she is proved innocent and its all been a massive miscarriage of justice - and at the same time don't want the risk of that happening if it turns out she is guilty

The best way to settle it would be to re-try the whole affair.

I wonder if in this case the jury should be medical experts. Can we do that in this country?

ETA Just googled and it seems not. I think there was a lot of complex medical evidence that lay people may struggle to interpret. It would be hard for her to have a retrial without jury bias given the press coverage of the case.

IDK if she is guilty or not, one moment I think yes and the other I think no.

To be honest I prefer a panel of three judges over a jury, the jury concept isn't all that, especially in the complex matters of today.

No I think you've got mixed up there somewhere - she was only removed once, end of June 2016, and she never returned to the ward.

At the same time, the ward was downgraded, and it has never gone back to treating such vulnerable babies since.

She was meant to be a competent nurse, very well trained to the point her new defense barrister mentioned death's declined when she left because they couldn't take very ill babies without her being there, yet she didn't know how to dispose of handover sheets and put asterisks in her diary when there was an event.