Lucy letby

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Do you think she did it ? Watched the documentary and I’m not sure she should have been convicted

I always assume people who go no comment are guilty.
I realise this is possibly unfair but what do they expect ? It's a terrible look.

My opinion is that she is guilty. People are always quick to say the justice system is terrible but it really isn’t - the vast majority of the time it does it’s job well and she’s had two trials and two appeals.

Circumstantial evidence is still evidence and there’s a lot of it in this case. Many small things that on their own don’t tell you much but when you put them together, they all point in the same direction.

They would say that though wouldn’t they? They’ve don’t want their investigation looking into, or lack of.

Many solicitors advise it to stop the accused incriminating themselves.

This is true a lot of them make their way home . But people either bring them back in on the next shift and shred them or else throw them in the fire at home. I doubt many people keep 200 of them in order of date in their house. If someone breaks into your house you can get in massive trouble if they are found. Every professional nurse is aware of this. It’s just an odd thing to do . To me it doesn’t prove she is guilty but it’s definitely strange.

And if you were called for jury duty, you would maintain this bias?

Worrying.....

I don't know if she did it. I think she didn't, but in either case she should have been found Not Guilty.

I originally thought she had done it.

I still think she has lots of questions to answer about taking the notes home and keeping them- that is very strange behaviour. Ditto the Facebook stalking.

but I always thought the ‘confessions’ were weak and could be explained by the therapy.

I also came to that conclusion because I thought the murders had definitely taken place.

now the fact that murders might actually just be medical failings puts it in a new light.

wi thy out the statistics, you’ve basically got someone who was a bit of an oddball who was overly invested in the drama of her job. I’ve met a few people like that and none of them were murderers!

I have always had concerns about this conviction and the documentary didn’t reassure me. They made a point about the handover notes being in chronological order but they would have been automatically if she’d always taken them out of her pocket at the end of each day and put them in the box. Also the Facebook searches. People search people all the time - especially people they are thinking about at a given point - there was no evidence other nurses don’t. A lot of people hide their identity on social media eg teachers, doctors etc exactly because they know people will look them up.

Knowing what we now know, I don’t think her conviction is at all safe. Her defence team were terrible.

Fundamentally, which is more likely… that there are an unusually high number of neonatal deaths in an NHS hospital because it is a crap hospital or because there is a serial killer nurse?

They looked for someone to blame for the deaths rather than being suspicious of her in the first place.

So all those who think she’s innocent, you’d have no problems leaving your baby alone in her care?

I haven’t seen the documentary as don’t have Netflix but have read articles and seen other documentaries and I still really don’t know.

I also really don’t understand why she didn’t appear in court for the verdicts and sentencing. If I was innocent I would want to shout it from the rooftops if found guilty. Would this be on the advice of her lawyers? It makes her appear guilty really.

Even if she's exonerated and let out I doubt she'll ever dare be near any children again through fear. However, yes I'd rather leave them with her than the consultants.

The stuff that swung the jury against her was things like only crying in court about a doctor she was close to or something and nothing else

She didn’t fantasise about being a murderer - don’t make things up.

I always think the ‘how fortuitous!’ comments are ironically the exact opposite of the truth. They rather unluckily picked someone whose history is free from pretty much all the usual things that are used to make women look evil or unstable: promiscuity, drugs and alcohol abuse, mental illness, petty crime or interest in the occult or true crime, bullying or being bullied. (Lucia de Berk at least had tarot cards.)
Hence they had to really really stretch in court to discredit her, with the ridiculous things where they tried to claim she hadn’t been arrested in pyjamas (she had: it’s in the Netflix doc) and that she was lying about not knowing what go commando meant.
All they could find were taking paperwork home and Facebook searching families, both of which many other nurses do and have nothing to do with serial killing.

Would you have any problems leaving your baby alone with any of the doctors, particularly the one who lied?

No if doesn't, what would be the point in shouting and screaming in court at that point? After 7 months of trying to defend yourself every day only to be found guilty I can't blame her at all for not wanting to be there

Not so long ago, mumsnetters were baying for her blood… because she refused to appear in court for her sentencing.

I’m not saying I think she is innocent… just that I don’t think her conviction is safe.

I’ll answer your question in another way. I’d rather leave my baby with her in a well performing NICU than in the one at the Countess of Chester (as it was at the time) without her working there.

Have to say I thought the documentary itself was pretty poor, didn’t really uncover anything new. And the AI people? Let’s not do that again.

Obviously not a situation in the real world just a silly line.

She might not have been able to make it out of bed.

It was awful, totally off-putting and I struggled to think of them as real people.

I think you misunderstand the criminal justice system.

Its aim is to reach a verdict.based on absence or not of reasonable doubt.

Its aim is not to act as arbiter of the general.public's legal personal choices.in relation to that verdict.

Whether or not someone would choose to leave their baby with Letby says nothing of her guilt or innocence.

To me it’s glaringly obvious she didn’t do it.
How many years will they keep her locked up though? I feel very sorry for her.