Lucy letby

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Do you think she did it ? Watched the documentary and I’m not sure she should have been convicted

This is such crap and such a childish argument. So many people think the McCanns killed Maddie and they are white British.

And anyone saying about her being "white, blonde, pretty" or whatever, how does that work when she's the one who was scapegoated, surely they'd scapegoat someone who wasn't white, blonde and pretty if prejudice was at play.

So very true.

I don't feel that it has even been proven beyond reasonable doubt that the crimes actually took place.

I lean towards her being a scapegoat for a very badly run neonatal unit in a very badly run hospital.

Dewi Evans has changed some of his opinions and tried to say that it doesn't matter. Jayaram tried to hide emails etc.

It's an unsafe conviction.

There's been quite a few black men released, after decades in prison. All convicted by the way the Police manipulated the evidence. All unquestionably innocent. According to the charity which supports Prisoners trying to get a retrial, there's hundreds more, most have learning difficulties. Where are their documentaries?
Given how assertive her parents are and how supportive, I don't know why she'd have such a weak defence, if she is innocent. There's question marks over her behaviour, she wasn't fully mentally stable at times and I think her practice was exceptionally poor, so it isn't outside the realms of possibility that she's been picked to be scapegoated.

Are we talking about the channel 5 Murder or Mistake or the Netflix one. We don't have the latter but watching the former l was struck by how pompous and self righteous the prosecutions expert doctor was. Every bit of evidence that mistakes had been made he either laughed at or criticised the credentials of the other eminent professionals .

I don't think she's ever been considered unlikeable or socially unpopular. In fact people were shocked because she's got such a "nice, girl next door" sort of face and demeanour and, from everything I've read, she was well liked by the other nursing staff and doctors. Sorry if I've misunderstood your comment.

Why are people still reeling out this lazy and laughable argument when it has been addressed and debunked many many times?

You'll be saying 'but the insulin...' next. (Which has also been addressed numerous times).

I believe her conviction is unsafe, based on the doubts about the medical evidence and the broader statistical evidence presented. I have no fixed view either way on whether she committed some or any murders.

This case just won’t go away.

There are so many knowledgeable people who have concerns about the conviction and are continuing to talk and write about it.

For that reason, I have doubts.

I know a detective who worked on the case and she said, based on the evidence, there was no doubt whatsoever that she did it.

I would guess it's because as it stands LL is the most prolific child serial killer in the UK so the media interest around the case is absolutely huge. Plus the fact that the "evidence" is so shaky and has been proven to be false. The fact that it involves tiny premature babies is also a big factor in why the case is talked about so much

Totally agree. Most murderers are convicted on ‘circumstantial evidence’ unless there’s a direct witness.
100% guilty, by a Jury of her peers. No mob rule. Not trial by media. A jury, the mainstay of our justice system. Guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
Think of the bereaved parents for just one minute and stop with the internet sleuthing. It’s very disrespectful.

I don’t know if she is guilty or not truly. For one thing I used to work as a nurse and I find it very odd she had handover notes stashed in order of date in her house. These notes do come home by accident in your pocket but you throw them in the fire when they do because it’s a massive confidentiality breach if they are found and she would be well aware of this . Finding something strange isn’t evidence of guilt though. Her defence was crap and the evidence against her is quite sketchy and seemed to be mostly circumstantial. I do think she deserves a retrial .

What does she think about Dr. Shoo Lee?

I think she's innocent.

Stand by any confidential waste bin on any hospital ward at shift changeover and I'll bet you a thousand quid 75% of the staff leave without putting their handover sheets in .Happens on every ward,in every hospital. Why do you think its only initials or bed numbers on them ? Its because far too many are never disposed off correctly. I'm not saying its right but its a common occurrence in every hospital.

But the jury was fed "facts" that weren't facts and were lied to by a consultant.

Really, I didn't think the police were supposed to discuss cases, do they have evidence and proof that the poor children were intentionally harmed in the first place. "Based on the evidence", what evidence?

I imagine that she gets these documentaries because being accused of murdering multiple babies is likely perceived by society as the worst of crimes. Added in that she was tasked with caring for these babies produces an added layer of horror and revulsion. And sadly this sells newspapers.

Though I agree with you that any miscarriage of justice deserves attention.

As for your other points, the suggestion that she was mentally unstable (is this related to the notes?) seems to apply to the periods after she was accused. Considering my above point, I imagine anyone would become rather 'unstable' if they'd repeatedly been accused of such a crime.

I haven't read anywhere that her practice was 'exceptionally poor' and in fact she was known as very diligent. Even colleagues, when hearing of her arrest, apparently exclaimed ' not lovely Lucy'.

As for the poor defence, that is inexplicable to me though I believe her solicitor was from a small practice local to her parents and her barrister could only work with the information he was supplied. There is also the possibility that the medical 'evidence' was not understood.

I am happy to be corrected on any of the above points as there are posters much more knowledgeable than me on here!

Yep, I've seen them in left in offices, treatment rooms, on the desks, changing rooms, canteen and carpark.

How fortuitous they picked the nurse who was hoarding confidential medical documents in her wardrobe and who fantasised about being a murderer in written notes. What are the odds of that?

No I don’t think she did. The conviction is definitely not sound. It’s far more likely that she was scapegoated by a thoroughly useless department.

I did it countless times as I nurse ,I didnt store them in chronological order though
I just disposed of them once I realised.

Well if you thinks he’s innocent, should t we talk about it some more? The OP is referencing a newly released documentary. It’s ok to create new threads about the same subject.