Dogs & Aeroplanes

[Keepingthepeace9]

Sorry folks, another thread about dogs & this time the question is do you agree with a recent suggestion the UK becomes similar to countries like France & America where small dogs can travel in the cabin with their owners.

Despite having absolutely nothing against dogs or their owners I can't begin to stress how much I disagree with this for countless reasons. This of course is with the exception of assistance dogs. Are you for or against the idea?
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Nah, tied to the underneath, surely?

Simple - a sedated dog is much more likely to die on a plane. I'd rather they were in the cabin, but I'd hate to see dogs being allowed in the cabin, resulting in more people taking them on planes. Most of the extra trips would not really be necessary. As for dogs toileting in the cabin, I take mine on the tube all the time, he knows not to do that, very few health dogs who aren't puppies would do that.

How can oxygen levels in an airliner hold be in any way different to in the passenger cabin ?

They should think about that before moving countries. Or, put them in a crate in the hold. Love our dog but omg I'd never put her in the cabin with other passengers so unfair to others.

Mind, we were at a cafe last week and 3 big dogs sat on customers chairs! No blanket, just bums on chairs .

Or nailed to the tailfin

Not always an option. We're moving countries on military orders.

Just have a limited number of pet seats available at the back of the plane.

Dogs die in the hold.

And moving countries isn't always a choice - military families, for example.

Speaking as a former cabin crew member, it would be a right old pita. Tails and other bits of dog anatomy sticking out into the aisle; hit it with your trolly and there’d be hell to pay because Fluffy got hurt. Or the trolly could tip over. Plus people walking dogs up and down to exercise them, bringing them into the galley when you’re trying to set up the food service, expecting you to coo over them. I can just imagine it. Nightmare.

KLM & Air France allow dogs to travel in the cabin out of the UK. They can't travel back in due to strict regulations. Unlike America they are not in a crate so they sit with the owner.

What would happen if a stressed dog poos in the aeroplane? Who cleans it up? Imagine the smell! I bet the responsibility would fall on to the cabin crew to clean up mess. That is so beyond what they signed up for!

I am very allergic to cats dogs and horses

when I fly domestically in America I have to call the airline and check if there are any on my flight which is not easy or convenient . There’s no mechanism for logging that you’ve got allergies and can’t be on a flight with animals in the cabin. It’s a PITA

The same thing that happens when a baby poos in an airplane, or someone throws up now, I imagine.

Very rare for dogs to die in the hold. But that’s where they belong.

This thread has just confirmed to me what I already knew; dog haters are miserable, bitter and can’t wait for any opportunity to talk dogs down.
Enjoy spewing your hate to each other.

Dog allergies don't tend to be fatal like nut allergies.

With respect a babies poo is contained within a nappy & quickly dealt with & the nappy disposed of in a sealed bag. The huge difference is it's not on the floor of the cabin where crew could be left to deal with it. It's a rare occurrence for someone to be physically sick on an aeroplane & they can make for the toilet. There is absolutely no comparison.

my DC has a dog allergy and would not be well if she had to sit next to a dog on a long flight.

for the airlines that allow this, does the customer have to buy a seat for their dog, with a limited number of 'dog-seats' per plane? Or does the dog sit on the customer's lap?

If there were only 2 or 3 dog-seats per plane that had to be paid for, and other customers could book seats away from that, it would be OK.

but if a dog could be on the next door person's lap with no warning, that would make my DD ill.

The hold isn’t temperature controlled like the rest of the plane and oxygen levels in there aren’t monitored in the same way either.

Slightly aircraft specific but the holds are temperature controlled, and usually run at roughly room temp though it can be selectable....FWIW oxygen levels aren't usually monitored anywhere on board- the hold shares the same A/C and pressurisation system as the passenger cabin.

FWIW where I worked if animals were carried there was extra paperwork and checks involved, in part to ensure hold temps really were set to a sensible level.

ETA that the only dogs we carried in the cabin were assistance animals and they usually sat on a blanket or similar in front of the owner's feet.

Hm, I've been on flights where both the above have happened (baby had a massive poonami, and person vomited all over themselves, the seat in front of them and the floor!).

Any allergy can cause anaphylaxis. Including milk, which can be airborne.

I think it's tricky because unlike a typical cafe plane seats can be very close together and not everyone is going to be happy to be that close to a dog with nowhere else to go on a flight.

I love dogs, but they shouldn’t be forced on people who don’t. That’s just basic consideration for others.

They're the same.

loads of flights already allow this and how often do you actually see it? Rarely. I’m in favour. Human discomfort doesn’t trump an animal’s risk of death.