Dogs & Aeroplanes

[Keepingthepeace9]

Sorry folks, another thread about dogs & this time the question is do you agree with a recent suggestion the UK becomes similar to countries like France & America where small dogs can travel in the cabin with their owners.

Despite having absolutely nothing against dogs or their owners I can't begin to stress how much I disagree with this for countless reasons. This of course is with the exception of assistance dogs. Are you for or against the idea?
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The uproar from posters when as others have said dogs on planes is already a thing elsewhere in the world, it's not something new radical thing.

There is a chance of a dog on most flights that aren’t going into the UK because more airlines allow it than not. I’d support designated pet free flights but can we get childfree ones too? The dogs one experienced on flights have been way less annoying than children.

I've stated my allergy isn't that bad & more extremely uncomfortable with red itchy swollen eyes & hives if I get an unavoidable lick. It's up to me to avoid that though.

My sympathy is more for severe asthmatics who are known to be hospitalised through dog dander. The difference is I consider everyone who has no desire to have umpteen dogs in an enclosed space on an aeroplane. It's lovely to see there are actual dog owners on this thread who agree & FWIW it has absolutely nothing to do with hating dogs. Asistance dogs in vast numbers are few and far between on an aeroplane. It's unlikely a passenger with allergies would be anywhere near them. They could also respectfully ask to change seats. I have nothing against assistance dogs on an aeroplane & have been there with no reaction due to being at the other end. A totally different situation.

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But this is already a risk on the vast majority of flights world over.

Why get in an uproar about something that already happens?

Why the fuck should I have to move seats, or get off the bus because some bastards got a bloody dog?

Carriage of dogs in the cabin is far from widespread, it's happens mainly in North American/European and there are often caveats, for example on some airlines large dogs that are not assistance animals must go in the hold, limit on number of dogs...etc etc

Not sure how exactly accurate this website is but it might give some idea of the situatio

https://www.sniffspot.com/blog/sniffspot-community/which-airlines-allow-dogs-in-cabin

But they don't allow anywhere near that amount of dogs in the cabin. The most common rule is 2-6 depending on who you are flying with and nobody can have more than 1 dog. The low cost airlines tend to allow 4-6 and more regular ones 2.

OP I feel like you just saw dogs in cabin on aircrafts and pictured 12 great danes running around peeing on all the children and climbing on pensioners whilst they shake dander all over the cabin. It is much more controlled than that.

Absolutely not. Plane travel is bad enough already without having to hear dogs yapping and causing chaos.

Yea, that list is completely wrong. I know many european airlines that definitely do allow dogs in cabins that are not mentioned there. It is much more common outside the UK than people seem to think but I do believe Aus, NYZ, SA, UK, UAE are some of the bigger ones that don't allow it. At least not for international trave. But at least in Aus you can take your dog in the cabin if it's a domestic flight.

From an animal welfare POV i do not believe any animal should travel in the hold unattended. Airport staff can't keep track of suitcases and wheelchairs let alone animals and the horror stories I have heard, including from my own dog training clients are truly awful...

From a people point of view, practically you'd have ot have some flights that were cabin-carried-animal-free... and some that are not.

But.. as its illegal to prevent a well trained and flight-safe assistance dog (even an owner trained one though proving their training is at a high enough standard is difficult) from travelling in the cabin, no one should assume any flight is going to be dog allergen free.

Non assistance dogs should be charged for a seat if they take up a space, free to stow under the seat if they fit in a carrier - should wear a flight approved muzzle (one that allows them to breath and open their mouth wide enough to properly pant, not a restrictive one) - and should be able to evidence full insurance coverage.

I also think that reaonably, you'd have to have a limit on how many dogs could be in the cabin on any particular plane too.

I doubt it will ever happen to such a great degree that it genuinely puts people at risk though, because any animal flying has to meet the requirements of the country it is flying to and that can be very expensive.

@Mauro711

Thanks for the corrections.

I'm still maybe a bit wary of some posters maybe portraying the UK is some sort of old fashioned mean dog hating outlier.

As you point out there are definitely big chunks of the globe and some major carriers that don't allow pets in cabins..

Terrible idea. Imagine being stuck next to an inconsiderate dog owner on a Ryanair flight?

you can take cats?! brilliant. i need to go to france wirh mine and i thought i’d need to drive but maybe not.

which airlines take them, just if you happen to know? thanks.

I thought there were limits in terms of weight and had to fit under the seat in front? Like 8kg including Cartier - my Maine Coons would be over that weight so just be talking very small animals.
But if assistance dogs are allowed, then how can there be objection to the smaller dog? I don’t understand how that works in terms of people with allergies. i think both are ‘protected’ and you must infirm the airline of an allergy - and you and dog placed on opposite ends? The air if very filtered in planes.

Just the thought of dog shit smell in a relatively enclosed space makes me feel sick, thank the lord I'm unfortunate enough to have not been able to afford abroad since 2008 😂

I’m due to travel on an 11 hour flight soon and the idea of my pet allergy kicking off is quite scary.

I have a lot of trouble breathing if exposed to most types of dog and cat dander.

So. Should tell my airline about my allergy?

who would have to change flights - the human passenger or the pet?

I am also highly allergic to cats and would end up with welts on my skin and totally unable to see (puffed up eyes).
How would an airline manage it if I was sat next to a cat? Because I would likely be a safety risk.
Luckily don't have a dog allergy but can imagine the same if someone did.

I'm not sure that's true. I have adopted two cats from overseas and in both cases the hold temperature and oxygen levels were monitored and there was quite a large (20-30 animal) consignment. They were treated very well by the airline throughout the journey.

Supposing the move is to New Zealand. You cant have a dog in a cabin or a hold for 20+ hours. Rehome the pet. Can't have it borh ways.

The way most people seem to behave on planes, I'd rather the average human went into the hold!

You should have seen the absolute idiotic misogynistic prat who out of nowhere called me a "little woman hogging the overhead cabin with her handbag" last month on the way back from a short European break. 1. My bag was tiny and the rest of my luggage was checked in, 2. He wasn't even sitting there so no idea why he felt entitled to that cabin. The bag had to go up as I was in an exit row.

If someone had put HIM in the hold and let a dog sit where he sat, I'd have been the happiest person going.

@Puppylucky

and oxygen levels were monitored

Unless things have changed TBF I wouldn"t expect as routine to see monitoring of O2 levels (as a percentage or as a partial pressure) on normal flights - temperatures and pressures, yes, that's absolutely standard, read from the flight deck

Sounds like you got a VIC (cat) deal, maybe because it was a big shipment

The way most people seem to behave on planes, I'd rather the average human went into the hold!

You must fly on budget hellhole, airlines then the destinations like benidorm

I've never seen any behaviour of the sort on any flight.I've ever been on and i've been on a lot.

I can't think of a good reason why somebody would need to take a dog on a plane.