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Why should Starmer resign? I don’t get it

210 replies

working9 · 05/02/2026 13:18

I’m not a big fan, but I don’t understand why people believe he should go. Yes he appointed Mandelson as US ambassador when he knew about Epstein’s conviction and that Mandelson was still friends with him - which was wrong IMO.

BUT - people have known that was the case for over a year haven’t they? And Starmer got rid of him as ambassador as soon as he was first mentioned in the Epstein files last year.

Now all this extra stuff has come to light about Mandelson’s relationship with Epstein in the last few days and of course it is dreadful, but how is that Starmer’s fault? Aren’t these disclosures (due to the release of further documents from the Epstein files) as much news to him as they are to everyone else? I don’t think anyone knew the extent of Epstein’s depravity until recently apart from those involved - I don’t see how Starmer could have been expected to know.

Can someone with more understanding of the situation please enlighten me?

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EasternStandard · 05/02/2026 21:56

AmIthatSpringy · 05/02/2026 21:37

It's bordering on hysteria. Ffs

It doesn’t get much worse than a major ambassador taking money from a known paedophile whilst sending gov information.

CotswoldsCamilla · 05/02/2026 22:37

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YourAmplePlumPoster · 06/02/2026 10:04

We need to ask why people who enter politics end up becoming so wealthy often owning multiple properties and having second jobs. None of them are there to serve their country.

Alexandra2001 · 06/02/2026 10:15

Vivienne1000 · 05/02/2026 21:02

This is far far worse than anything Boris did.

Don't be silly.

Bojo helped give us Brexit, he and the Tory party directly funded by pro kremlin Russians they make Lords and UK citizens to get around funding rules.

Starmer at worse, has shown colossal mis judgement but atm, there is zero evidence he knew of PM's betrayal.

Its hysteria.

EasternStandard · 06/02/2026 10:18

@Vivienne1000people do downplay paedophiles even when it’s Starmer and Labour. Can’t have women minding about that. Bizarre.

somewhereintheworld · 06/02/2026 11:02

I agree with the OP. Keir was lied to and because he's a decent man himself he believed the lies from Mandelson. Keir has had such bad press I feel very sorry for him.

FlyBy2026 · 06/02/2026 12:07

One thing I don’t understand 🤷

KS is saying PeterM lied to him and lied to the security services.

Surely MI5 and MI6 have more tools at their disposal than asking a person questions. KS is saying that PM said he wasn’t friends with the devil JE and didn’t stay at his house.

Is that what our security services do, take people’s word for it. Or do they in fact have staff who collect info on the web, have informants, listening ears, and can compile dossiers on people? They know their worts and all.

The general public knew PM was a sleazebag, surely our security services had much, much more on him.

They knew about his behaviour, but let it go for whatever reason, and it’s backfired on them and rightly so.

BarMonaco · 06/02/2026 12:13

Alexandra2001 · 06/02/2026 10:15

Don't be silly.

Bojo helped give us Brexit, he and the Tory party directly funded by pro kremlin Russians they make Lords and UK citizens to get around funding rules.

Starmer at worse, has shown colossal mis judgement but atm, there is zero evidence he knew of PM's betrayal.

Its hysteria.

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Agreed. The tories claim to do what's best for the economy. They accidentally took us out of the single market for God's sake

MrsPenelopeBridgerton · 06/02/2026 12:41

Because he’s a shit Prime Minister who couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery.

HTH.

WildFlowerBees · 06/02/2026 13:26

Are we really expected to believe Starmer knew nothing? He took his time in sacking him. As far as I’m concerned Starmer like most other politicians lack any moral fibre and aren’t interested in the good of the people, just themselves. Politically we’re buggered. At the very least it was very poor decision making, I’m going to bet he knew far more than he makes out and still appointed him.

38thparallel · 06/02/2026 14:04

Is that what our security services do, take people’s word for it. Or do they in fact have staff who collect info on the web, have informants, listening ears, and can compile dossiers on people? They know their worts and all.

I wondered that. Also how far can they go with surveillance?

Alexandra2001 · 06/02/2026 14:23

38thparallel · 06/02/2026 14:04

Is that what our security services do, take people’s word for it. Or do they in fact have staff who collect info on the web, have informants, listening ears, and can compile dossiers on people? They know their worts and all.

I wondered that. Also how far can they go with surveillance?

I ve done references for DV clearance as well as having it.

A great deal is taken on trust, how would Govt vetting agencies know if the applicant has a sexual kink? has irregular debt?

But obviously in Mandelson's case, a great deal was known.. & being sacked twice for dishonesty would rule out DV, and even baseline might be tricky.

I'm with Harriet Harman on this "Why was Mandelson even in the room?"

Whether KS knew more, will come out in the texts and emails, if so, he has no defence.

38thparallel · 06/02/2026 14:25

@Alexandra2001 thank you for answering my question.

abracadabra1980 · 06/02/2026 14:59

It's a question of judgement and his is diabolical. He is also a continual liar. Being honest should be part of the brief and anyone caught being dishonest, booted out. Looking at you, Angela Rayner.

stringseleven · 06/02/2026 15:19

Have we forgotten that KS himself has been taking gifts from someone? What information / influence has he himself been giving Lord Ali in exchange?

Surely as a public servant it should occur to you, no matter what level you are operating at, that you should not be taking gifts.

Vivienne1000 · 06/02/2026 16:39

Alexandra2001 · 06/02/2026 10:15

Don't be silly.

Bojo helped give us Brexit, he and the Tory party directly funded by pro kremlin Russians they make Lords and UK citizens to get around funding rules.

Starmer at worse, has shown colossal mis judgement but atm, there is zero evidence he knew of PM's betrayal.

Its hysteria.

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He potentially caused a further collapse in the markets, by giving away top secret information.
if you worked for a bank and did this you would be fired immediately, and prosecuted.
As for Brexit, despite Reeves continual effort to kill off UK industry, foreign investment has meant the Footsie is way ahead than pre Brexit.

Vivienne1000 · 06/02/2026 16:41

EasternStandard · 06/02/2026 10:18

@Vivienne1000people do downplay paedophiles even when it’s Starmer and Labour. Can’t have women minding about that. Bizarre.

I am appalled ….

Vivienne1000 · 06/02/2026 16:43

somewhereintheworld · 06/02/2026 11:02

I agree with the OP. Keir was lied to and because he's a decent man himself he believed the lies from Mandelson. Keir has had such bad press I feel very sorry for him.

Everyone knew Randy Mandy was connected to Epstein. It was all over the news when he was given one of the most powerful jobs in the Wotld.

Vivienne1000 · 06/02/2026 16:46

BarMonaco · 06/02/2026 12:13

Agreed. The tories claim to do what's best for the economy. They accidentally took us out of the single market for God's sake

And there was me thinking we live in a Democracy and the people voted….

InveterateWineDrinker · 06/02/2026 17:33

The problem is that the British constitution, such as it is, and the conventions and practices which have risen up as a result essentially depend on the 'good chap' theory of government - the idea that ministers and civil servants recognise the limits of their power, self-regulate, and resign when they ought to, even without any mechanism to force them to. Keir Starmer will have learned this in the first year of his LLB and, I have absolutely no doubt, subscribes to those principles himself.

The 'good chap' theory unfortunately breaks down when public life becomes infested with charlatans. We saw this in the way that Westminster seemed totally unable to get a grip on Boris Johnson until his own MPs turned on him, and it has clearly broken down when vetting Peter Mandelson. The whole system - including any vetting - assumed Mandelson would put honour first and he clearly couldn't help himself, which at least shows he's consistent.

Sir Keir is like a mirror image of Johnson in this respect, shattered by the same fault line. I fundamentally believe he (Starmer!) is a decent and honourable man, and that of all the realistic possible outcomes at the last election we ended up with the least worst. I have never voted Labour in my life, and almost certainly never will, but I could live with that result and if I lived in a constituency where it mattered, I probably would have voted tactically to get it. I would not do so with any other current Labour MP in charge, and I wouldn't with Saint Andy of Burnham either.

Labour only ever wins elections when non-Labour voters vote for them. Sir Keir was palatable enough that they could hold their noses and do so. If he goes, so do those voters.

There is a theory that Labour never really wanted Sir Keir to become PM. What they wanted was someone respectable enough to detoxify Labour after the Corbyn years, narrowly lose an election, then quit before the right sort of proper socialist then took Labour back to power. The machinations going on now were supposed to happen after Sir Keir lost in 2024, not after he won.

With the whole Mandelson-Epstein thing I don't really think who is PM would have made any difference; once Mandy or anyone else with a vested interest in playing down their past became a serious candidate for the job (and, let's be honest, he was widely regarded as a good one to put in front of the Donald before his questionable choice of underwear became front page news) then we were always going to end up here.

BarMonaco · 06/02/2026 18:26

Vivienne1000 · 06/02/2026 16:46

And there was me thinking we live in a Democracy and the people voted….

No party was elected saying they would get us out of the single market. Everyone knew that would be idiotic. The Leave campaign said we would stay in the single market. There should never have been a referendum based on lies in the first place. If you think leaving the single market was a good idea I don't know what to say to you. It's damaged business and the economy ever since. The tories should never be allowed to forget the damage they've done.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 06/02/2026 18:35

Keir to Lenny the Leopard: Lenny, have you changed your spots?
Lenny: Grrrrr.
Keir: OK. I believe you.

tommyhoundmum · 06/02/2026 18:37

working9 · 05/02/2026 13:30

It just doesn’t seem fair when he hasn’t (as far as I can see) done anything wrong? Would MI5/MI6 have known the extent of Mandelson’s relationship with Epstein and what Epstein was really like at the time Starmer appointed Mandelson as ambassador?

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The security services concerns would centre on whether there was anything about Mandelson that would leave him open to blackmail.They spend all their time looking into fallible human beings.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 06/02/2026 18:37

Wake me up when a man is sent to prison for the Epstein crimes. Heads rolling here but not a ripple over the other side of the pond