Why should Starmer resign? I don’t get it

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I’m not a big fan, but I don’t understand why people believe he should go. Yes he appointed Mandelson as US ambassador when he knew about Epstein’s conviction and that Mandelson was still friends with him - which was wrong IMO.

BUT - people have known that was the case for over a year haven’t they? And Starmer got rid of him as ambassador as soon as he was first mentioned in the Epstein files last year.

Now all this extra stuff has come to light about Mandelson’s relationship with Epstein in the last few days and of course it is dreadful, but how is that Starmer’s fault? Aren’t these disclosures (due to the release of further documents from the Epstein files) as much news to him as they are to everyone else? I don’t think anyone knew the extent of Epstein’s depravity until recently apart from those involved - I don’t see how Starmer could have been expected to know.

Can someone with more understanding of the situation please enlighten me?

Yes, but maybe he needs to read the room and be the change he promised after debacles such as partygate.

His own MPs couldn't support the amendment he wanted. That's not great 18 months after a GE with a large majority.

@anotherside what did Boris Johnson do? That was worse than this?

@working9 I hope you have the answer to your question now

Do you really think the Labour Party is ready for a woman leader ?

i can’t really write what I think of KS as I would probably get banned.

but he’s a highly educated professional who apparently don’t know what a woman is
for that alone he’s a fake ass dickhead pandering to certain votes

or he is as thick as two short planks because there is only men & women and nothing in between
so if he truly believes that men can be woman then he shouldn’t be in a position of power because we all know it’s a load of bollocks - literally 😂

but I think he doesn’t give a shit about the uk
I think if he had his way the uk would be like china in terms of monitoring people and freedom

he is not a man to be trusted in that he says one thing then it changes to something else

I dislike him for attempting to bring in Digital ID sneakily as it was never in the manifesto amongst other things

Can’t wait for him to go although who would replace him I have no idea

What I also find funny was if JE hadn’t be murdered ( I mean hung himself ) then we would probably be none the wiser about the stuff that’s come out recently

JE is literally fucking everyone from his grave

I mean yeah Johnson did much worse and lived to tell the tale

Well, not worse, but almost exactly the same - Chris Pincher. Which is why he had to resign…
Which is sort of the point and quite relevant right now. Wow, the uncomfortable reality that Johnson might, in the end, have had more integrity than Starmer, is quite frankly shocking.
Ok maybe integrity isn’t the right word, but you get the point.

This 100%. I think people regard politics these days as some sort of game show where you can just get rid of someone once you're tired of them. Real changes take time to implement but hey, that's boring. For what it's worth, I think Starmer is a good man but perhaps not charismatic enough for the current climate. I am terrified of the much parroted alternative - that utter and total shit Farage. I pray to any god that'll listen he never comes to power.

If anyone needs to resign it’s Trump.

And I agree with you too . Thank you for replying

Peter Mandelson should audition for the next Bond villain.

I agree OP.
He was naive perhaps but not corrupt . He made a mistake and he has owned that. Something others have refused to do previously
I hope he survives

Well, you've made up your mind!

Whilst he is v unpopular, all polling shows that, when the question is "Who would make the UK best PM?" he scores well, ahead of Farage, on par with Badenoch

(Polling done before this all hit the fan....)

Who would want the PM job, talk about a poisoned chalice. We desperately need stability, I think Ed Miliband is perhaps the only credible alternative that could potentially provide it.

Boggling at people saying Starmer should go for this when they want Farage as PM, that bastion of integrity and not a Russian asset AT ALL. Strange times.

His appointment as UK Ambassador to the US turns out to have been in the pocket of a corrupt convicted paedophile and to have been spying on the government and acting against the interests of the British public. He appointed him despite being warned not to and despite being fully aware of the previous corruption affairs he had been embroiled in. Nobody could claim to be surprised that Peter Mandelson was at the heart of a terrible scandal.

Starmer has to be stupid or corrupt or completely without values. He can't not be at least one of those things.

Yes well put.

Mandelson didn't get the nickname "Prince of Darkness" for nothing, and Starmer should have known better than to appoint him to such a sensitive role.
Starmer appointing Mandelson's protege, McSweeney, as his Chief of Staff was unwise, too.

It's not the first time Mandy has been in the shit. He had to resign from Blair's cabinet at least once, possibly twice: once over something to do with a loan (eta: I think he got a massive interest-free loan to buy a property from a businessman) and once over some business about an acquaintance and their passport (I think he tried to do someone a favour by getting their passport renewal fast tracked or something, but it was a long time ago and I can't recall the details).

Even if you disregard all the Epstein abuse stuff, and subsequent economy with the truth, Mandelson had done enough to warrant being fired imo. Sharing privileged info about economic matters to people who make money by investing is a bit like insider trading, but one step removed; no politician should be doing it, it gives the investor getting the info the opportunity to manipulate the markets for their own benefit.

People at, or close to, the heart of government should be squeaky clean and above reproach when it comes to this sort of stuff. He chose to ignore good practice and propriety and seems to think that rules don't apply to him, so good riddance I say.

Agree
if he’s stupid then he shouldn’t be PM
and if he’s corrupt he shouldn’t be PM

i think it’s a combination of both stupid and corrupt
can’t wait to see the back of him

to me too. He had to be either a knave or a fool.

Another aspect of this is that ambassadors are often privy to far more sensitive and secret information than actual politicians. It's a role that has a lot of crossover with the espionage world; not a spy but he'd know who the spies with diplomatic cover were and maybe some of what they were up to. It's not a job you'd give to a total blabbermouth who do any kind of favour for someone rich. The mind boggles at the damage he could have done.

Trying to do any inside dealing or giving away information which could alter the markets, to one of the most corrupt man on the planet, should land Mandelson in prison. Especially as we were in a recession and the finance industry was on its knees. He gave top secret information away.
Despite knowing Mandelson was cosy with Epstein, Starmer gave him one of the most prestigious Overseas Jobs. Let’s wait and see if the markets sunk lower because of Mandelsons criminal activity. Perhaps the most scandalous event since the Profumo affair.

Yes to this and @Vivienne1000post. The posts glossing over this because it’s Starmer are something else. Depressing to see.

This is far far worse than anything Boris did.

Yes Mandelson's time as ambassador needs to be investigated. I don't believe that he has behaved himself in Washington, he isn't capable.

Yes it is. At least there’ll be the Mandelson files coming out over the next few months or longer.

It's bordering on hysteria. Ffs