Why should Starmer resign? I don’t get it

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I’m not a big fan, but I don’t understand why people believe he should go. Yes he appointed Mandelson as US ambassador when he knew about Epstein’s conviction and that Mandelson was still friends with him - which was wrong IMO.

BUT - people have known that was the case for over a year haven’t they? And Starmer got rid of him as ambassador as soon as he was first mentioned in the Epstein files last year.

Now all this extra stuff has come to light about Mandelson’s relationship with Epstein in the last few days and of course it is dreadful, but how is that Starmer’s fault? Aren’t these disclosures (due to the release of further documents from the Epstein files) as much news to him as they are to everyone else? I don’t think anyone knew the extent of Epstein’s depravity until recently apart from those involved - I don’t see how Starmer could have been expected to know.

Can someone with more understanding of the situation please enlighten me?

Take a look at Mandys previous rap sheet and then make up your mind . Everyone knew about his dodgy dealings and theres probably much that we still dont know.
But Starmer claims "didnt know the extent of it" Like he "didnt know" about Jimmy Saviles
Crimes, despite being DPP at the time.
Pull the other one its got bells on it 🔔

No, but Starmer is repeatedly saying he believed Mandelson on the extent of their relationship ('He 'portrayed Epstein as someone he barely knew''- Starmer's words this morning).

Edit to add: Of course, the fact that Mandelson had to be sacked by 2 previous administrations for potential financial corruption (issues with loans) was also an indication he wasn't the best choice.

There was a two page Cabinet office report on the subject and also evidence from JP Morgan clearly highlighting the two men had a particularly close relationship but the PM chose to believe Mandelson’s denials and lies without further enquiry. I don’t know about the security services but the rest is in the public domain.

I don’t think this government represents its people anymore. I’m not sure who it is meant to be working for right now, but if someone came up with a Russian conspiracy theory that sees the UK collapse and Starmer being involved I’d think they might be correct.

Yeah and David Icke was right about Saville (which wasn't hard, pretty much everyone knew) but it doesn't mean he isn't a dangerous, deluded lunatic who helps to destroy lives of innocent people.

As does Alex Jones.

this pretty much.

It is the disconnect between the sold persona - Starmer the lawyerly grown up, good old honest boring Starmer with working class tools in his hands who went to state school

vs
Starmer the sleaze with the snazzy Lord Ali glasses and down with the Mandy dogs, and went to private school and has a 2 million pound house in North London anyway, with a big pension with history attached.

However, why anyone is surprised by the latter is beyond me. The former was just a persona sold to the public, gullible as always. The signs that he is the second were clear to me from the outset.

Maybe Starmer the Scheming Snake will be more attractive to the fickle British public anyway. Since when did clean fly anyway? Not to my recent recollection.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day though

I find it really far-fetched to suggest he should resign. He must definitely should not.

I say that as someone who didn't vote for him and doesn't like him.

I don't think there's been any evidence of Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor being a paedophile, which is someone with a primary or singular attraction to pre-pubescent children.

But lots of evidence of him being a sexual predator.

It seems that the Tory outrage is sincere - it will always appear so, because they're not outraged over any of this at all.

They're outraged that they don't have their hands on the levers of power, they don't have their noses in the trough, they can't loot the public purse. What's more, the Hillsborough Law is about to go through in some form, landlords will be prevented from ripping off tenants, all these kinds of reforms that work against the vested interests. You don't really imagine said vested interests are just going to lie back and let this happen, do you?

The Tories can't credibly complain about the above, but they are outraged, so when Kemi Badenoch gets up in the Commons and professes to be outraged, well, it is sincere - but it's not about THAT.

He is weak. He was trembling during a debate with Kemi in the HOL. It’s just not the right climate for a weak leader. I feel sorry for him. I don’t think he’s a bad person but this job is obviously too much for him in much the same way that Rachel Reeves is treating our economy like a school project. They are fucking with people lives and they need to be stopped.

Come on, Mandelson was always a big baddie, ever since the 90s, the worst kind of person just out for himself, yet Starmer bowed to his wishes and kept him in powerful position

that is just bad leadership.

I don’t feel sorry for him although I agree he was shaking. He’s too slippery on this. Today was bad.

I agree that he's weak. I think his boring ploddiness was seen as an asset after years of disarray. But it's just causing more.

He got less votes than Corbyn. And yet he is still in power. Says it all. People are well and truly pissed off. I don't think it would take much right now to tip people over the edge.

He needs to fucking listen and stop being so arrogant. He is an exceptionally unpopular man and that has been the case since before he got it.

I highly doubt that. And doubt Trumps intelligence. In fact, there's increasing evidence he's nuts.

He's said numerous things on record about his perversions and numerous worrying comments about his own daughters.

What's more likely or likely fact, is he has had his minions remove things.

You know, the same ones who said a few months ago that 'there are no Epstein files'.

My understanding is that the relatively short Cabinet Office report to which you're referring essentially contained info that was already in the public domain, and that we have been aware of for quite a long time.

I was asking about your claim that "secret services" - presumably you mean either MI5 and/or MI6 - had briefed KS in detail about Mandelson, which implied that he knew much more than we previously thought he did.

But it seems that this was a bit of an exaggeration, and you're actually just claiming that KS was aware of information that was in the public domain, which we all agree on and has been known for quite some time.

Because they knew the slimy and probably corrupt Mandelson was a great match for Trump. And whilst I hate Mandelson, he did get a trade deal, something which the previous goverment had been trying for years.

I think its right that Andrew (formerly prince Andrew) and Peter Mandelson are geld to account but I'm intrigued how and why the other high profile names, also reported to be involved seem to have escaped the same scrutiny....?

There are a lot of unforced errors in this Government.

But I'd rather have a slightly ramshackle Labour Govt than an efficient Conservative Govt - because I don't like the Conservatives. Last time round they had their snouts in the trough, they are simply the political arm of the vested interests.

I'd rather have a Labour Govt prone to backing down than a Conservative Govt that doubles down; I'd rather have virtue signalling that performative cruelty.

I 100% believe that this whole thing has been cooked up by Trump/Putin to destablise the country - hitting the prime minister and the King. Just release the right documents - and hide the rest - and BINGO.

We are being played.

He should go because he’s supposedly the leader of the country in political terms. He’s made a colossal ‘error of judgement’. In any other workplace it would be gross misconduct and you’d be sent on your way. I cannot believe people are making excuses for him. Get him gone.

Sorry but a lot of people have known about the extent of Epsteins depravity for a very long time, including starmer. These people dont operate in a bubble. Time to throw out the whole ruling classes.

I absolutely believe that the documents have been released very selectively. That was always going to happen tbh.