Keir starmer is dead in the water

[Bertiebiscuit]

The UK cannot have a prime minister who gave a plum job to a man when all the time he knew that Mandelson was still close friends with an ex-con who was convicted for trafficking children for sexual abuse. Starmer is destroying the reputation of the UK, he is an embarrassment and shoukd resign, if not the Labour party should demand his resignation.

The economy was at the time the fastest growing one in the G7.

Reeves soon stopped that.

The news channels seem to be full of Labour MPs doing the Conversatives job for them.

There is far more shit to come when these files get to be released.

When Labour is wiped out in Wales at the elections, his position will become untenable.

You won't have long to wait.

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Starmer must go. He knew about the Epstein association and he knew PM was a dishonest man, having been disgraced and sacked on multiple occasions. Even if PM lied, why believe him?

The stakes here are high. Appointing PM as ambassador to the US is like giving two fingers up to all those American girls abused by Epstein and his friends. I am so fed up with the voices of women and girls being ignored. Men need to know that if they ignore the abuse of women, there will be consequences for them. Starmer must go.

I stand with the victims.

The pp must be missing a lot if they think a thread on mn is the problem for Starmer.

I disagree on your first sentence. What happened today I think is underestimated by many on this thread, Starmer was visibly shaking as he’s wise enough to recognise the gravity of his admission. This really is a seminal moment in our politics, simply should never happened, such an appalling lack of judgement.
I don’t see that our government being better than the last hideous bunch of Tories means we should accept this level of mediocrity.
That in no way means I would ever support Reform, but what’s increasingly clear is that the longer Labour remain and are so painfully ineffective, Reform just gains further ground, which is truly terrifying. All parties need to do better yes, I had massively high hopes for Starmer, but Jesus, what a letdown.
Regardless of party colours, we really need to stop this acceptance of mediocrity, appalling representations of women, failure towards our most vulnerable and relentless self-serving power players, who would all reverse over their own granny if it means they get ahead. All whilst the rest of us are getting fleeced daily for the very basics, we need better from those governing us.

The Parliamentary Labour Parties Whatapp's group will be the main problem for him.

Fortunately it turns out most Labour MPs are anti having the facilitators of sex offenders in key diplomatic positions.

In contrast to several of the posters on this thread....

I remember listening to a woman on Radio 4 last year describing how Peter Mandelson's weakness was powerful people/power. It astounds me that someone of his level of machiavellian talents couldn't have foreseen the Kompramat being assembled about him ?
The fact that he continued a friendship with someone who had been charged and found guilty of having sex with children, blows my mind more though !

As far as Starmer is concerned , if he makes it through this week, I think he will be safe for a bit longer, but not sure he will make it through to the next GE.

Starmer is the filthy king of freebies - he has been gifted more freebies and hospitality than any other MP since 2019 and breaks parliamentary rules to enjoy a high-end lifestyle.

He breached parliamentary rules by failing to declare some of his wife's high-end clothes, bought for her by his biggest personal donor, Lord Alli, who paid for a personal shopper, clothing and alterations totalling £10,000s

Starmer also accepted an unspecified donation of accommodation worth £20,437, "work clothing" (high-end suits) worth £16,200, and multiple pairs of glasses equivalent to £2,485 from Lord Alli.

Since December 2019, he has accepted:

• £40,000 worth of Arsenal tickets
• £12,588 of gifts from the Premier League,
• Two Euros final tickets costing £1,628
• Thousands of pounds' worth of tickets from other Premier League clubs
• Four tickets to a Taylor Swift concert totalling £4,000
• £700,000 in donations undeclared by Labour Together, Starmer's campaign group

Starmer appointed Mandelson as Special US Ambassador because he knew he had a long association with Trump via Epstein.

Starmer, Mandelson and Trump are all from the same swamp.

The UK's fees for visas and use of the NHS are perfectly reasonable as you well know. Income tax thresholds are the same for everyone, regardless of immigration status. Essentially, you were asked to make a fair contribution to the country.

I think this is entirely what Trump wanted: destablise the UK via selective release of the Epstein papers. Starmer has navigated Trump well but Trump wants someone who either sucks up to him or causes chaos.

Trump is pulling all these strings. We should be going all-out for stability but we are so easily distracted.

Let's hope Hannah Spencer, a plumber and the Green candidate for Gorton wins the by-election.

I've always voted Labour, but the party, not just Starmer, is dead in the water @Bertiebiscuit

What the vastness of the Epstein files shows us is that corruption has penetrated every facet of power and influence in Britain and America. The fact that one man can get into so many high places through the lure of trafficked girls tells us everything we need to know.

Starmer has to go. We're not (yet) like America. We still have accountability and we must uphold this, to avoid sinking any lower. Ideally anyone involved on any level should be held accountable and never be able to hold a position of power again, but there's so many of them and they'll have eachother's backs.

Another example of why the patriarchal structures we live in are not fit for purpose.

100% this. At this point it doesn't matter who we vote for. Our government is bought and paid for by multinational corporations owned by billionaires.

Never saw a GP in the many years I was there, because none were available, but you call that value, I guess? Just glad my kids never needed medical attention, because the services where we were were genuinely parlous. I tried A&E once but gave up after six hours as there was nowhere to sit in the waiting room. Yet your NHS surcharge cost nearly three times what we paid for private medical insurance for the whole family in our previous country, where we had state of the art hospitals and excellent multilingual doctors on the occasion we needed them.:)

But gosh it was just such an honour to be there and contribute so steeply to your magnificent well run system, wow we were so blessed.

Oh, and we paid a relatively modest one-off visa fee for my partner to move here permanently with no ongoing pound of flesh ripped out every two years. Because my country believes its citizens have the right to a family life and even to marry gasp foreigners, unlike your increasingly inbred Isles.

What reputation? This country is a joke, an absolute joke.

Idiots running the country

the whole royal family/epstein affiliation

dont want to work? - have more kids we will give you more money
work full time but don't earn enough - here is the address of you local food bank

Have a physical disability, sorry you are not disabled enough to qualify for PIP but Mikey down the road who has anxiety gets money and a car, ask him, you'll find him down weatherspoons

Pay tax on what you earn, pay tax on your pension, pay capital gains tax if you sell your house, pay tax on what you leave your kids, tax everything, twice

That's just the tip of the iceberg

Country is joke, no reputation to be lost

The Angela Rayner with dubious records. What a joke! I dislike all Labour Party members but KS is much better than the rest of the lot.

I really don't think it's worth throwing out the Prime Minister because he appointed someone who repeatedly lied about his relationship with Epstein. Obviously get rid of Mandelson but this continual blame on the PM for every discretion of every member of the party is ridiculous if you ask me.

Exactly! Laughable really.

@Gobacktotheworld2

Well, that was very unpleasant to read. I think the UK is probably better off without you.

The thing is that Boris at his worse still offered the Party/the voting electorate a likeable charismatic clown. For every vote lost from a voter turned off by his immoral behaviour, another was won from some centrist/apolitical voter who liked his funny bumbling clown act. Starmer doesn’t have that charisma and his party is already badly struggling in the polls.

But basically from going from being the saviour of the party Starmer now threatens to lead it to its worst ever defeat by a huge margin. People would have voted for Mr Blobby in a red rosette at the last election as long as he promised not be a Tory and to govern as a sensible centrist. Thats literally all Starmer has to and that’s what he did. But now people have seen Starmer in power and they don’t like him at all. We now see that he was very smart to keep his mouth shut during the year run up to the 2024 election.

If Labour doesn’t get rid of Starmer now then the next election will be contested by Farage and Badenoch. And even though I’m a left winger, I’m almost at the stage where I’d support Badenoch over another triangulating Blair disciple. First it would be a nice poetic rebuke to Farage to elect a black woman ahead of him. Second she’s clearly got her head screwed on. And third I think a confident government with a philosophy I don’t entirely agree with is still superior for the country than having a government which I ought to agree with but which spends most of its time fighting its own supporters and being scared of its own shadow.

It’s nicely poetic that it’s a Loyal Blair fiend that will bring down Starmer after he spent all his energy kicking left wingers out of the party they founded.

Who is that exactly from the Labour Party?

I'm not sure how much were going to miss you.

The UK is clearly better off without you.