Page 23 | Drag Queen Storytime at my local library (photo attached)

Carla786 · 2026-02-03T18:59:53+00:00

I had a lovely trip to my local library yesterday. Spent a long time there choosing books, basically the whole time there was a very noisy toddler event going on in the next room. I didn't mind, they host a lot of stuff for various people & that's good. As I left, I looked at the posters of various things they were advertising. I saw one for 'Mama G', clearly a drag queen, which I photographed for identification purposes. I thought this nonsense of drag story hours might be quietening down, but clearly not at my library. I'd never seen them advertise anything like that before 🤦♀️ Checking the photo when I got home, I saw the event had taken place that day, while I was choosing my books. I wasn't listening particularly hard, but from what I heard it sounded more like a 'panto dame' style event than anything sexualised. It still seems odd and inadvisable though. If a drag Queen wants to do panto style entertainment for kids too, he should have a separate line in that, rather than mixing it up. 'Drag queen shows ' are by nature sexual and adult, so 'drag queen' shows blur boundaries whatever the content/intention.

FlowerFairyDaisy · 04/02/2026 20:40

Sounds like fun to me. I love a Dame!

SpringTimeIsRingTime · 04/02/2026 20:47

Verytall · 04/02/2026 20:36

So have you reported all of this, all these people you know know for sure are grooming and abusing children, that you have evidence of?

And there are plenty of posters on here who have suggested that "all' are perverted, and that there can be no other reason for any man to wear a dress, make up, or even want to work with children.

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that drag queens are over represented in sex offender statistics? Hint: the fact that when it happens the press are more likely to report it and it's more likely to be discussed on Mumsnet isn't evidence.

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Drag queens are talent-free mediocre males using a gimmick at women's expense to make money.
If any of them had real talent, they would be successful actors or singers.
The fact that they need a gimmick says it all.
The fact that they use women as the gimmick just shows them up as misogynistic little men.

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 04/02/2026 20:49

Verytall · 04/02/2026 20:36

So have you reported all of this, all these people you know know for sure are grooming and abusing children, that you have evidence of?

And there are plenty of posters on here who have suggested that "all' are perverted, and that there can be no other reason for any man to wear a dress, make up, or even want to work with children.

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that drag queens are over represented in sex offender statistics? Hint: the fact that when it happens the press are more likely to report it and it's more likely to be discussed on Mumsnet isn't evidence.

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So have you reported all of this, all these people you know know for sure are grooming and abusing children, that you have evidence of? Try reading my post again - where have I said that?

And there are plenty of posters on here who have suggested that "all' are perverted, and that there can be no other reason for any man to wear a dress, make up, or even want to work with children.

Again, I haven’t seen that said on this thread and given your lack of comprehension of my posts and frantic extrapolation and making up stuff I didn’t say, I’m not sure your claim is correct.

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that drag queens are over represented in sex offender statistics?

I didn’t say that either did I. I invite you to reread my posts. Hint: even the BBC has been caught out removing references to a convicted sex offender being a DQ in response to complaints from trans activists. You might find a thread about it on FWR.

Ciao for now. Making tea.

Verytall · 04/02/2026 21:05

@JustSomeWaferThinHam if you're saying they aren't over represented, what did you mean by:

'Just pointed out that child inappropriate and safeguarding free behaviour is not only over-represented in a particular group of performers in a primarily adult genre (DQ), but defended vigorously by some'

And if you don't have evidence that they're grooming and abusing children, why have you referred to them waving dildos around children and sharing sexually explicit material and grooming them?

If they're not dangerous to children, why do you want to ban them from being around children?

And yes, I haven't said you put all these people under one umbrella, that's why I referred to the 'plenty of posters' and not said it was you. As was clear where you quoted me. Not sure how I can be any clearer with that one.

Verytall · 04/02/2026 21:10

Im back in work tomorrow so won't be posting much, but the thread has been a useful, if depressing, eye opener at how much hatred still exists to gay and trans people and how important promoting diversity* is.

*Not mutually exclusive to promoting boundaries and safeguarding despite what some posters seem to think. I might get a t-shirt with 'Queer no boundaries theory pusher' on it though.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 04/02/2026 22:34

SpringTimeIsRingTime · 04/02/2026 20:47

Drag queens are talent-free mediocre males using a gimmick at women's expense to make money.
If any of them had real talent, they would be successful actors or singers.
The fact that they need a gimmick says it all.
The fact that they use women as the gimmick just shows them up as misogynistic little men.

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Yes. Step forward La Voix.

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 04/02/2026 22:54

Verytall · 04/02/2026 21:05

@JustSomeWaferThinHam if you're saying they aren't over represented, what did you mean by:

'Just pointed out that child inappropriate and safeguarding free behaviour is not only over-represented in a particular group of performers in a primarily adult genre (DQ), but defended vigorously by some'

And if you don't have evidence that they're grooming and abusing children, why have you referred to them waving dildos around children and sharing sexually explicit material and grooming them?

If they're not dangerous to children, why do you want to ban them from being around children?

And yes, I haven't said you put all these people under one umbrella, that's why I referred to the 'plenty of posters' and not said it was you. As was clear where you quoted me. Not sure how I can be any clearer with that one.

Try reading what I said: 'Just pointed out that child inappropriate and safeguarding free behaviour is not only over-represented in a particular group of performers in a primarily adult genre (DQ), but defended vigorously by some'

Next to what you said: Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that drag queens are over represented in sex offender statistics?

They are not the same things. Words have meanings.

And if you don't have evidence that they're grooming and abusing children, why have you referred to them waving dildos around children and sharing sexually explicit material and grooming them?

Where did I say there isn’t evidence? There is plenty of photographic evidence of similar things (because yet again you have not accurately represented that I actually said)

And yes, I haven't said you put all these people under one umbrella, that's why I referred to the 'plenty of posters' and not said it was you

Eh? Umbrella? I honestly don’t know what you are talking about now.

I suggest you read my posts more slowly and consider my actual words. I choose them for a reason. Your misquotes and misrepresentations of my words are increasingly dishonest.

I don’t think you answered my question - WHY so defensive of these men reading to children? You said yourself there are plenty of other options.

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 04/02/2026 22:59

Verytall · 04/02/2026 21:10

Im back in work tomorrow so won't be posting much, but the thread has been a useful, if depressing, eye opener at how much hatred still exists to gay and trans people and how important promoting diversity* is.

*Not mutually exclusive to promoting boundaries and safeguarding despite what some posters seem to think. I might get a t-shirt with 'Queer no boundaries theory pusher' on it though.

This thread is about Drag Queens and the safeguarding issues thereof. It is not about gay men or trans. HTH.

My eyes are agog at the lengths to which some will go to defend men who want to dress up as a unpleasant parody of women and read often unsuitable books to small children. The handwaving of recorded incidents of utterly inappropriate male behaviour is 👀

Ivelostmyglasses · 04/02/2026 23:26

IDontHateRainbows · 03/02/2026 19:17

I dont think the trans community have dome themselves any favors by insisting on doing storytime for young kids at libraries around the country. I don't think they are pedos but some people may add 2 +2 and get 5.

Besides I heard someone say, you never see them going doing entertainment at old folks homes do you....

Yes you do! It just doesn't make the daily mail.

Ivelostmyglasses · 04/02/2026 23:32

Bilster · 04/02/2026 12:45

If they were going to come to my kids school I would expect forwarning and I’d remove my child for the time they were there. And I’m not even all
that conservative. There’s no need for an adult male to be cross dressing infront of very young children. If that doesn’t scream ‘safeguarding fail’ to you, whet does???

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What about panto?

Rosealea · 05/02/2026 00:26

That sounds wonderful 💞

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Carla786 · 05/02/2026 01:15

glassof · 04/02/2026 07:34

Wonder if you are local to me, the photos look like a central library. I love mama g, a big part of the town, goes into local schools. Kids love the act

So Mama G has never included twerking in these sessions, hopefully? As video indicates happened a few years back (see a few pages back)

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Carla786 · 05/02/2026 01:16

ThatBlackCat · 04/02/2026 06:16

I had it wrong, it was Anna Bortion: https://www.instagram.com/itstimeforannabortion/?hl=en

I can't find the Molestia Child, but I came across a 9 year old child is a drag queen called 'Lactatia' - charming. And they say this isn't grooming! www.sbs.com.au/voices/article/9-year-old-drag-queen-lactatia-inundated-with-abuse-after-modelling-for-lgbtqi-label/x9beow18r

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Malestia Child unfortunately is a real one, but I don't think necessarily a mainstream figure (hopefully!).

Yes, child drag queens should not be allowed. Horrible...

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Carla786 · 05/02/2026 01:18

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 04/02/2026 12:18

You are very right to be suspicious. If you google ‘drag queen conviction’ (I can’t be more specific it tends to get deleted) and have a look at a small selection of examples where men with predatory intentions have used DQ as a route to plausible deniability.

People should wonder there are people that are such staunch (even aggressive at times) defenders of this very niche child related activity. How many genuine accounts have these people provided of their child experiencing great benefits from DQST which outweigh the obvious issues where some children will be plonked in a room with a terrifying looking man by a well meaning but busy parent and have gained absolutely nothing or even suffered .

Has anyone even asked the children if they like it? If it helps them with their reading?

We should also consider why the BBC decided to amend a story about a DQ convicted as a paedophile to remove the reference to him being a DQ despite it clearly being a huge part of his life (I think he was also a Pride organiser).

Or has anyone looked into the DQST performer who raised funds for the funeral of a close friend - a convicted paedophile?

Or the DQ promoted by Scottish MSP
Mhairi Black in schools called Flow job. Why does anyone think a performer called Flow job is a suitable child’s performer?

Remember how plausible deniability is used by many men who want to access children.

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We should also consider why the BBC decided to amend a story about a DQ convicted as a paedophile to remove the reference to him being a DQ despite it clearly being a huge part of his life (I think he was also a Pride organiser).

Or has anyone looked into the DQST performer who raised funds for the funeral of a close friend - a convicted paedophile?

These are terrible! Are you able to post the names? Or maybe PM me?

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Carla786 · 05/02/2026 01:21

Verytall · 04/02/2026 13:53

What's with women on Mumsnet seeking out men who have sexual kinks? And what does that have to do with Mama g?

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It's not 'seeking out' for the fun of it, women here have held their noses & delved into the SM postings of many TW to get an idea of the scale of AGP and the brazen way so many flaunt it (not all but very many)

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Carla786 · 05/02/2026 01:28

KeepPumping · 04/02/2026 15:19

No, I have been recently, most people still go to sit and read, it is just that Libraries are not used enough (as people now scroll shapes and bright lights on their phone all day rather than reading) and to remain open have to stage "events" to pretend they are viable, the amount of council tax being collected should (IMO) mean that libraries are open, and quiet, even if it is just two people and a dog reading, your idea that people wouldn"t go to a large building with rooms full of books to read strikes me as very odd!

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I'm not sure about this. I don't know if my library is struggling for customers...certainly I check out a lot and often books I'm after are borrowed. I hope it isn't.

I don't see anything wrong with the library being used for storytimes, old ladies' meetings, book clubs etc. Most of these are quiet. It gives it a nice community feel imo.
I do think noisy toddler events should be very rare, if at all. 'Mama G' was much too loud imo, so were several others I've had the good fortune to overlap with...Of course tiddlers should have music events etc but these don't belong in a library.

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Carla786 · 05/02/2026 01:30

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 04/02/2026 17:49

So you know that some DQs are abusers - not all obviously, but some. Don’t you think they should be held to the same standards as all other people interacting with children? And not be given a free pass to flash their underwear, wave a dildo around, use offensive language, teach sexualised and inappropriate dances or have physical contact with children.

There is photographic evidence of all this happening but we’re not seeing any appropriate reaction from the authorities who should be safeguarding children.

My question is, why are you working so hard on this thread to defend these men regardless of the issues being raised?

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Re this : have physical contact with children.

In the cases you've seen, what kind of contact was it? Hugging? Posing for selfies? I agree this should not happen.

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Carla786 · 05/02/2026 01:32

SpringTimeIsRingTime · 04/02/2026 20:32

Why do gay men dress up as caricatures of women in the first place?

Why don't they parody the men who bullied them as boys instead?

It's easier to punch down - that's why.

I remember listening to "Panty Bliss" giving a very emotional speech about how difficult it was for him growing up gay in a conservative country.
It would have touched me if he wasn't a drag queen who made a living out of vulgar parodies of women. He's just as bigoted as the men he complained about but can't see it due to his own misogyny.

I think some drag queens, especially in past (maybe Danny LaRue, for one) leaned more into a glamorous 'impersonation' side rather than cruel caricature. The caricature side has increased, probably partly due to TV and SM which encourage 'edgy' & more unpleasant 'roast' type content.

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ThatBlackCat · 05/02/2026 02:17

StandFirm · 04/02/2026 11:14

It's about exuberance, releasing the inner diva regardless of who you are. I'm not a drag queen btw, but I have had the chance to discuss this with professionals.

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inner diva

Sounds misogynistic to me.

ThatBlackCat · 05/02/2026 02:18

PlumDeNomNomNom · 04/02/2026 12:15

I genuinely find it concerning how many mumnetters still managed to find blackface shows to watch.

But womanface isn't genuinely disturbing?

ThatBlackCat · 05/02/2026 02:21

PlumDeNomNomNom · 04/02/2026 12:31

WON'T find any minstrel shows to watch, because they're unacceptable. And yet drag queens read to children

Finally….. something we can agree on!

Racism = Bad
Reading to children = Good

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Yet you think sexism and misogyny = good.

If blackface read to children would that then be acceptable?

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Carla786 · 05/02/2026 02:22

@JustSomeWaferThinHam , is this the story you mean where the BBC edited out the fact he was a drag queen? There is an FWR thread about it.

They claim they removed the detail because it wasn't reported in court : is that standard protocol?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-66610787

Man caught in paedophile hunters' sting operation

Andrew Way, 61, tried to engage in sexual communication with a 14-year-old.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-66610787

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Carla786 · 05/02/2026 02:30

Carla786 · 05/02/2026 02:22

@JustSomeWaferThinHam , is this the story you mean where the BBC edited out the fact he was a drag queen? There is an FWR thread about it.

They claim they removed the detail because it wasn't reported in court : is that standard protocol?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-66610787

Yes, this Mr Way appears to have also been involved in Pride organising as I think you said?

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Carla786 · 05/02/2026 02:33

Carla786 · 05/02/2026 02:22

@JustSomeWaferThinHam , is this the story you mean where the BBC edited out the fact he was a drag queen? There is an FWR thread about it.

They claim they removed the detail because it wasn't reported in court : is that standard protocol?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-66610787

And is the drag queen who raised funds for convicted paedophile friend's death Sab Samuel(who founded Drag Queen Story Hour UK), who raised funds for the death of Darren Moore, convicted of raping a 14 year old boy when he himself was 15?

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/article/drag-story-hour-founder-sab-samuel-fundraised-for-rapists-funeral-r8xg5bfd8?gaaat=eafs&gaan=AWEtsqfEBOXJauT9beCtCflqMZJgb3dWTA8hHzv9anZtDkx6JcXaGacWG58LY2AQ%3D&gaats=69840466&gaasig=JCuFYj0BKZMILV-iuTUrL0O2Wc-RHTTmW-MGUIREKR1lNXcJyDPlA2eYFoy2RCimtaWB8nQoS3RRzhXQFuw%3D%3D

Odd both these cases are about Wales : coincidence, or has safeguarding been particularly weak there?

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ThatBlackCat · 05/02/2026 02:36

Verytall · 04/02/2026 17:25

AGP was never accepted as a credible theory, and even the original author has distanced themselves from what they first proposed. Just because you have a GC fantasy about hunting out perverts and diagnosing them doesn't mean it has any bearing in reality.
And Mumsnet 'feminism' boards are well known for transphonbia, so whilst I don't condone illegal action it's not that surprising it's been targeted.

FWIW I've never had a man tell me in detail about their sexual fetishes that they would know I'd disagree with, and I'm genuinely baffled at how this seems to accidentally happen to so many terfs on here, by so many men it seems.

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Er, no, it has not been 'discredited' at all. On the contrary, in fact.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22005209/

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2004-19367-006

And womens rights is not 'twwannnsphobia'.

Autogynephilia: an underappreciated paraphilia - PubMed

Autogynephilia is defined as a male's propensity to be sexually aroused by the thought of himself as a female. It is the paraphilia that is theorized to underlie transvestism and some forms of male-to-female (MtF) transsexualism. Autogynephilia encompa...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22005209/