Labour increase benefits bill. AIBU To think what’s the point in working?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15520831/Labours-push-lift-two-child-benefits-cap-hand-25-000-windfalls-thousands-Britains-biggest-jobless-families.html#

‘Official estimates suggest the cost of scrapping the cap will total £13.6 billion over the next five years.

The Tories said families currently affected by the cap are in line to receive windfalls worth an average £25,000 each over that period.

But the biggest families will gain far more. Thousands of families with five children will receive around £10,900 a year while those with six children will get an extra £16,600 a year.
Almost half of the families involved have no one in work.‘

Still is there anything you listed there you could do? Or is it no to all of that?

If so those things might help others but not you?

How are you going to make employers take on disabled people?

Surely you have to accept that there are some people who'll never be able to work?

Some of Xeno's suggestions would help me; employers having to be more flexible with RA. Even apprenticeships if they could offer that flexibility and adjustments! That doesn't mean they'll be right for everyone with a disability.

Yes you can. It’s Carer's Element that you can't get if you're on LCWRA. You can claim Carer's allowance if you're on LCWRA but the amount is deducted from your UC entitlement.

A couple can both have LCWRA or one LCWRA and the other Carer's allowance/element.

Yes you can as a single person.

No you teach your children to work and not be a drain on society

And strategically too. Deliberately every 4 to 5 years to maximise the length of time they claim.

Because they're unwell/ unable to work/ struggling with physical and/or mental disabilities

Anecdote incoming

In the not too distant past i rented a flat in a tower block, close to 100 flats (was lovely and cheap, I left because I'd saved enough to buy, and the anti social behaviour got to be too much)

Barely anyone worked. When you live somewhere you get to know daily patterns. It was a high rise full of scroungers. One or 2 disabled, some elderly, but the majority were a kind of benefits underclass.

I'm tired of people pretending there aren't vast swathes of families who have never worked, producing kids who will never work. They are there, in the parts of town you probably don't go to. These are not the people who will look after you in your old age, or taxpayers of the future. They are a burden on every single person that goes out to earn a living.
They will be a burden until the day they die.

It's all very well saying that I'm lucky, I'll have a safety net as I age etc. SO WILL THEY, if they need a care home it will be paid for, they need sheltered accommodation or carers, it will be paid for. Me? My house will be sold and my bank accounts drained.

Make benefits unattractive to force people into work and ensure the cash goes to those who actually need it. The disabled and elderly. Not the feckless.

What makes me laugh is when racist benefit claimants get angry at asylum seekers and immigrants. As if taxpayers are somehow happy to bank roll white people but not brown people.

Not all disabled people. I doubt the range of disabilities people are born with or acquire on the UK varies much from those of our neighbours in Norway. If they can manage a system where more dusabled people are making a contributions + less people signed off with illness, I don't see why we can't.

But you keep making excuses about what you are owed. Everyone that can contribute should.

Where is the money coming from? Growing welfare bills and a shrinking workforce, what is your solution?

How would you make in unattractive for the 'feckless' who don't need it without it negatively impacting the disabled and elderly who do need it?

It's fairly easy to check if a person is elderly.

Assessments exist.

If people hadn't been gaming the system for so fucking long, the mandatory hoops would be easier for the genuine.

Coaching people on passing assessments should be stamped out.

Again anecdotally, I am aware of someone that makes a very tidy living coaching people through pip assessments.
Why?
You either need it, or you don't.

Obviously not all disabled people; find me where I said all disabled people?

I've said frequently throughout the thread that I want to work, that I'm retraining for a job I'll be able to do flexibly, and that employers should be required to prioritise disabled people for roles, providing the reasonable adjustments they need.

Apparently this is impossible, so I don't see what option these disabled people are left with.

I don't have the answer any more than you do, because you're thinking financially and I'm thinking emotionally and the truth is, you can't extricate one from the other because there's real money and real people involved.

It depends on what you mean by coaching. Encouraging people to lie and/or exaggerate? Of course that should be stamped out but support and guidance because forms are overwhelming and complicated and you can be genuine but rejected if things aren't worded correctly etc? I don't see any issue with that at all.

So other people should do these apprenticeships but not you as they’re beneath you so you’ll stay on benefits.

This is a good question. I think for large companies they need to have a target proportion of employees that are disabled.

I don’t think we should be giving benefits to endless people born overseas who have never worked in this country. If you come from overseas to work in the UK your spouse should be able to claim benefits but not your auntie and your gran etc.

Yup.

There are millions of people playing the system.

It is all wrong the abuse is seriously off the scale and is huge!

I know of several one is a single mum and is on her 4th child. Doesn’t work.

No one working these days as a couple even with the 2 wages coming in can afford 4 kids it’s for the very wealthy or those who want to game the benefits system.

She gets UC, her council rent is paid, child benefits, free dental, school meals you name it she gets it - she breeds for benefits.

Father’s of the kids don’t live with her she gets child maintenance too.

Jetted off to New York at Xmas, a trip working people can only dream off.

It makes me sick it’s never ends.

If see people supposedly unwell claiming carers allowance between them and PIP each and all the add ons of no rent to pay it beggars belief.

This is already the case. People who come on a work visa in the highly-skilled category can bring their spouse and their spouse can have the right to work but the minimum income requirements would mean that the couple would likely be ineligible for benefits, and people who come on a work visa in the medium-skilled category can bring their spouse if they can show they have means to support them but their spouse is not eligible to work and is excluded from eligibility for most benefits. And where on earth have you got the idea that people can bring over their aunt or gran? I think you may have been credulous in the presence of right-wing propaganda.

So, changes I would make.
Make work pay. Low paid work is never going to give a lot of spare 'fun' money. The state needs to step in but not with benefits top ups. Firstly build really good quality social housing and give priority to working people, not the disabled, not the unemployed, not the elderly who are usually top priority for this stuff. Working people are carrying the rest of us, they need to be looked after first imo. It's the fit your own oxygen mask first.
Have better public services available to help keep people in work as well. Childcare etc, again priority to working people. Currently people working in low paid work (and are told to be grateful about it) are barely better off (or not) than people not working plus they have a hard, boring job to be doing for 40 hours a week. I'd choose a bit less money and abundant free time over a miserable job, people choosing this life are making a rashional choice.
I would give zero extra money for depression/anxiety conditions. This isn't about saving money or punishment. I would put every penny into therapy and support for them instead. Money is a huge motivator, it even improves breastfeeding rate, at the moment people have a perverse incentive to stay sick. Just giving people money to fester at home is the very worst thing we could do for them imo. As I said, with regard mental health, this isn't about the money, it's about doing our best for people.
So basically, make people benefit from being in work, any work. Put money directly into mental health services and support and not to individuals.

It's impressive that she's managed a trip to New York considering right now, there's a 2 child cap in place so she isn't getting UC for all 4 children.

That makes no sense to bar the spouse from work? Is that true?

Benefits to be only paid to those who have contributed and then time limited depending on the length (not amount) of your contributions.

State pension kept and pension credit stopped.

Modified so that those that lifetime Benefits claimants receive zero.

Disability threshold increased substantially.