Labour increase benefits bill. AIBU To think what’s the point in working?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15520831/Labours-push-lift-two-child-benefits-cap-hand-25-000-windfalls-thousands-Britains-biggest-jobless-families.html#

‘Official estimates suggest the cost of scrapping the cap will total £13.6 billion over the next five years.

The Tories said families currently affected by the cap are in line to receive windfalls worth an average £25,000 each over that period.

But the biggest families will gain far more. Thousands of families with five children will receive around £10,900 a year while those with six children will get an extra £16,600 a year.
Almost half of the families involved have no one in work.‘

Get some rest for those poor blinkered eyes. It cuts both ways.

An additional problem in the UK is that we still allow direct cousin marriages, which invariable produce severely disabled children (which then cost a lot to fund via welfare and schooling).

We should ban that practice in the UK as other developed countries do.

YANBU op. We stopped at two because we honestly couldn’t afford more kids which is quite sad really. What infuriates me is my work colleague who used to do the same days and hours as me was able to drop 2 days and have that amount made up by her benefits as she has 4 kids. She now works those days with her mum and gets cash in hand so she has far more coming in on benefits than she did working.

So you think everyone claiming benefits in the uk is disabled? Some aren’t just lazy, prefer to stay at home and raise their kids while the rest of us go to work, wallow in their depression while any doctor will tell you that exercise and keeping busy is the best cure.

I’m from a country where the amount of benefits you get when unemployed (as opposed to disabled) depends on how many years you’ve worked. So my friend who got made redundant got around 1500 euro in benefits, because she’d worked and paid into the system for 15 years. The benefit is time limited, 18 months I think. She was astounded that here if you lose your job after a long time working you could be getting the same as someone who’s never worked. The Job Seekers rate is a measly £92 a week even if you’ve worked 20 years.

I think you missed my point.

What's that got to do with people getting carers allowance for looking after each other

Still waiting for the figures.

Is that one of the Nordic countries? I think the best parts of that system are definitely worth reviewing.

@Lmktrfaccording to a few people on this thread, you’re only allowed to be a victim if you’re on benefits! Just an FYI! But I totally appreciate how frustrated you must feel. The system is abused by many, but apparently we’re not allowed to say that out loud either!

This will be me in a couple of months. Will have worked for 40 years in horrible jobs dealing with awful situations. Only even took a few months of mat leave as we couldn't afford longer. Yet when I am being made redundant through no fault of my own I will get £92 a week for six months I don't hold out too much hope of getting any thing else very soon at the age of 58 in the current job market and with a bad back from years of Nursing. Please don't anyone suggest PIP I would not qualify !

A couple can not both have money for LCWRA, and if you are on LCRWA, you can not claim CA.

So all the people claiming there are families all claiming to be sick and carers at the same time are talking bullshit.

This is virtually every EU country but ours. There people get out in benefits what they put in. Here we get next to nothing because there’s no money left after giving to those who don’t work.

@NorthXNorthWestthats a fair system! Where is that?

Agreed.

Moving to a more contributions made model would also reduce the corrosive over-reliance on welfare because it then also becomes a function of "what you get out is proportional to how much you pay in". It would cut down the entitled attitudes that have been on display on this thread.

think you bring a good point up, that the system needs to incentive work! If you’re on UC and don’t work (I’m not looping PIP into my comment FYI before you come at me) you should have to volunteer during the week. If you don’t turn up you don’t get UC!

I have no sympathy for those claiming. Either they have too many kids they can’t deal with (why have more than two!?) they married the wrong guy (ie a loser), they’re too lazy to work, they decide they have a “disability” (adhd for example which suddenly has gained so much popularity when it’s a thing most people have).

What about if you aren't disabled or caring for disabled family...... Take life by the reigns and make your own success? Do up your sleeves, get to work and actually make something for yourself?

They can both claim PIP though, one of the couple can claim LCWRA and both can claim carer’s. Not really bullshit.

Being forced to "volunteer" for benefits is not volunteering.
If a job needs doing, pay a proper wage with all the benefits like sick pay, annual leave etc.

Marvelous for your. We do claim for our autistic DS, we get DLA and Carers Allowance, I work (part time currently as I was made redundant last year and have had to take what I could get), DH works long hours for fuck all (essentially self employed) so he can do school runs when DS goes in, is in the house with him when he doesn't go in etc.

We are considerably worse off than when we were both working full time, and DH is working a lot harder, sometimes until 1 or 2 am to meet deadlines.

The DLA currently pays for counselling (CAMHS wouldn't do anything despite DS being suicidal and self harming, school could only refer for six sessions provided by a vol sec org) and clothes as DS chews his to rags, and as we had an underspend it meant we could get the car repaired recently (no car would mean no school at all, no going to hospital appointments etc), occasional emergency Costa visits when out if DS gets dysregulated (visiting anywhere new involves knowing where the Costa is in case DS can't cope.)

(I'm sure someone will want to have a go about the underspend - the DLA was originally used to take DS swimming once or twice a week as it was the only way he'd wash or get changed, then he started refusing to go. This coincided with puberty hitting, the EBSA starting up again and being suicidal and starting to self harm.)

God no that’s not for this thread. This is a no can do thread, please don’t go upsetting people.

@Thisisnotmyidso much of this happening but according to some on this thread the system is never abused!

You can not claim LCRWA and CA at the same time

Yes, if you have no moral compass