Labour increase benefits bill. AIBU To think what’s the point in working?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15520831/Labours-push-lift-two-child-benefits-cap-hand-25-000-windfalls-thousands-Britains-biggest-jobless-families.html#

‘Official estimates suggest the cost of scrapping the cap will total £13.6 billion over the next five years.

The Tories said families currently affected by the cap are in line to receive windfalls worth an average £25,000 each over that period.

But the biggest families will gain far more. Thousands of families with five children will receive around £10,900 a year while those with six children will get an extra £16,600 a year.
Almost half of the families involved have no one in work.‘

Any chance you could answer my question first?

How come I am rude for just defending a point, yet people coming out with uneducated shit like an anorexic has no extra costs is ok?

I do know a family with six kids. I don't think they claim any benefits though given all six kids are in a posh private school.

The triple lock will be scrapped in favour of an inflation lock and a % of median earnings (30%)

Thats already being discussed and will be implemented next parliament.

That will save a grand total of £6bn/year when the Disability/PIP bill is closing in on £66bn/year (2.2% of GDP).

Do you see the problem here?

Well, we’ve just proven that they don’t really. You’ve got your £30 cushion, but as the WLI threads all state you’ve probably saved a load on food bills.

I'm sure we could save some money by actually getting decisions right the first time around and not constantly reassessing people with incurable disabilities

I had to look that word up.
Shame others can not do something as simple as find out what PIP is and who can claim it.
Google is free.

Hard agree.

What are the costs for taking people to MR and tribunal for DLA/PIP and also UC.
It would be interesting to see the figures.

Where are you getting this idea that anorexics don't eat? Educate yourself before commenting on other people's health struggles.

I don't think that is the case. I think many are concerned that unless something changes the welfare system will collapse and many workers will be poorer as well and many people dead. Grim all round for everyone.

WLI and anorexia are totally different issues and it is pretty shit for you to conflate them.

I understand that regardless of any accident that may befall
me that there’s no money left in the coffers for welfare..the question is do you?
People also protect themselves from health calamities by taking out insurance, having savings etc rather then rely solely on govt largesse. So we are not all one step away from destitution as you seem to assume.

No they don't they just want to know where the money is going to come from to pay the bills.

Do you acknowledge the welfare bill is unsustainable? Where do you think the money to pay the welfare commitments is going to come from? Or do you not care, as long as you get yours?

There are a lot of selfish people around but they are not necessarily net contributors.

Then maybe they should be writing to their MP's demanding to know why the DWP are spending a fortune of 'their money' on countless appeals at tribunal, because they are making so many mistakes during the assessment process, and constantly spending, who knows how much, on assessing people who have long standing, incurable, conditions, that will never improve.

Unless you have a gang of kids on pip or you are fiddling the system then no benefits do not pay enough to live on , trust me , been there , done that and barely survived , unlike my neighbour, 6 kids , all with disabilities apparently no dads ect absolutely raking it in no ambition nothing

Not everyone can get health insurance. I can't

My best friend is living off of insurance pay outs now as she had to leave her job due to illness. It worked for her, but she was already in a very well paid job, and her illness was sudden (and also permanent).
If you were born disabled, you are not going to be able to do the same. If you are in a min wage job, you are not going to have savings to live off of.

I have not alluded to whether I claim any benefits, so I don't know why you are coming at me in such a manner.

I do not accept that the benefits bill is unsustainable. What is never published in these Daily Fail articles is that tax receipts are also rising.

Pensions and the aging population are a problem, but without stimulating growth, which requires spending, there is nothing we can do about the latter, and people seem reluctant to do anything about the former.

Lack of growth is a massive issue caused by austerity. More austerity is not going to fix the problem.

Yet people do.

No we think that in order to look after people with expensive disabilities well we can't afford to pay people whose disability costs them nothing £££.

If we are in a road traffic accident or have a stroke and become incapacitated we want the money to be available for a decent quality of life for us and others in that situation. Which it won't be if Britain goes broke.

Those are reasonable questions.

It's interesting that all the people defending welfare spending never answer question about sustainability or where the money is coming from to pay the bills. It's difficult not to assume you must have skin in the game.

Why would anyone defend a system that is likely to fall over unless it is overhauled?

Also, no one talks about the amount of benefits that people are entitled to, but are not claimed either.

The awards are not based on costs, but on how the disability affects a person. Hectoring disabled people with countless questions about costs, is not going to change that. It is the Government who set the criteria.