To wonder why people keep voting SNP?

[Carla786]

I don't know a lot about Scottish politics and I may be missing important things they've done. However, I used to have a lot of respect for Nicola Sturgeon but her handling of gender critical issues has destroyed that. The SNP do not seem very effective at reducing drugs, poverty, or other serious issues.
My understanding was that quite a few people vote SNP not because they want independence (which most Scots appear to not want) but because they think the SNP are more committed to Scotland sorcifically than Tories and Labour. How accurate is this though..?

Since most Scots appear to not want independence, I thought the SNP was probably high achieving in other areas & Tories & Labour seen as poor by comparison. Or is it more often seen as the best of 3 bad options? Or is SNP much more positive than the impression I've got?

SNP are a real disappointment after Bute House deal with Green party. Expect they will lose control in May elections as have been in too long. Middle earners are hammered on their watch with a ‘high’ earner paying 42% tax over £43,663… yet average wage (median) is £39,700. Cost of Living crisis be mitigated if they stopped fiscal drag and plundering those in middle but by no means wealthy.

Essentially we get the bastard SNP because the "freedom" idiots vote as a block whilst those who understand economics are split between the U.K. parties.

I have had several terrifying conversations with SNP fanatics & it boiled down to "not the bus I want to be on but the destination I want to get to". She complained about many things & blamed them all on Westminster- these were all devolved issues🙄 and when I pointed that out she shrugged & said it was Westminster's fault for keeping Scotland "down" 🤷‍♀️

The SNP have utterly destroyed education in Scotland, they can't organise ferries or dual roads, are obsessed with the state acting as parents and destroying women's rights.
Health/life expectancy & drug/alcohol issues are swept under the carpet.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8rm3kgp50xo

I’m as English as they come and I would like to have a vote for Scottish independence. I believe that the vote should be both side of the border so we can part company. Once achieved there should be a hard border and the withdrawal of our currency from Scotland and our military bases. No contracts for Scottish companies bring those south. Sooner the better really.

They also haven't paid the womens rights group For Women Scotland to whom they lost re the Supreme Court ruling on the definition of women, and refuse to pay them their money.

The contempt and disrespect the SNP have for women is horrific. They are outright breaching the Supreme Court ruling, refuse to pay FWS, and want males in female spaces and prison. They are beneath scum.

It never ceases to amaze me the number of people who will still vote enthusiastically for people who make it clear they have nothing but contempt for them

Yes, chickens voting for KFC, turkeys voting for Christmas and Thankgiving.

You had a vote though in 2014? So they didn't deny you one but as it didnt go your way you are crying for another.

And I did vote yes in 2014. No way on earth that I'd do it now. The parties who are (ostensibly) for Independence have scuppered their own cause by being, well, shite.

Yes, I voted yes too in 2014, and have been horrified by the SNP shitshow

Op just to clarify, do you live in Scotland? If not why would you be surprised that people actually living here would vote SNP if you have never lived their life?
I have lived in Scotland all my life, I voted SNP once, soley due to the fact our MP was amazing for our area.
I have never voted SNP since but I can understand how some people would.
Just basic but here’s an example. At the beginning of this month thousands of people were snowed in, schools closed, deliveries not getting through. Caused massive disruption. Did it make the national news? No. But then when there was snow forecast to fall in England, it was the main headline of the national news. How do you think that makes folk feel.
As I said that is a very basic example and again I would never vote SNP again but can see why folk do

Do English MPs get a vote on things specific to Scotland, like free University places? Or the amount of debt per head you are racking up, which then goes into a central debt fund?
Dont forget you owe more money per head than the English, so I am not sure how you plan to pay that back. Your tax will have to rise, to compensate the Barnet Formula which is so generous to Scotland. You will no longer be able to use the pound either. Your education system has let a generation fail, when it used to be superior, all thanks to the SNP. Glasgow is still the drug capital of Europe. Be careful what you wish for because it could be coming your way soon.
And if you fail to get independence, will you just keep pushing for another one? Maybe campaign for England to have an independence vote , because then you may well get your Independence.

Thanks. So, as I suspected, they’re not actually “going to court to have transwomen (fully intact males) rapists who have been convicted of rape placed in female prisons”.

Yes, they are! That is exactly what they are doing. As I suspected, you haven't read and understood the article.

How do you explain the great lengths Westminster went to in the lead up to the referendum to convince Scotland to vote no? Begging, bargaining, threatening, lying, all to keep us when we’re costing a fortune and racking up all this debt? Come off it.

Have a read at the drivel @cotswoldsgal1234 has come away with and it will go some way to explaining why some Scottish people get a bit fucked off with English people at times. That nonsense along with the fact that whoever the English vote for we are stuck with as a government. I have English family and friends and I love them to bits, I holiday in England quite a bit, this is true of most people I know. I don’t think we hate the English, those of us who want independence would just prefer to be friendly equal neighbours fully managing our own affairs.

Well, quite. You'd have thought they'd have said 'oh thank fuck! You want to separate - off you pop and godspeed!' instead of a parade of who's that emploring us to consider our shared history etc.

I fully understand the article. Don’t be ridiculous.

Goodness knows. No one n England knows why they did that. Maybe they owned private islands there. But if you join the EU ( not sure they will be ok with that due to your huge debt) anyone wanting to live in England could require a visa. A lot of Scots are saying they will move South of the border to avoid tax rises, so you may lose your high earners. I lived in Scotland and the pettiness shown towards England was embarrassing. No one down here gives it much thought, we are far too busy.

Because they’re realistically the only party that stands a chance of getting us out of the lying Union.

Scotland makes up around 7–8% of the UK population, yet we have: 32% of the UK’s land mass, 62% of its maritime area, 33% of its arable land, 61% of timber production, 85% of oil and gas reserves, 90% of freshwater, 67% of fish landings, and around 25% of Europe’s offshore energy potential, alongside world-renowned industries, products, and expertise in emerging sectors.

And yet we’re constantly told by unionists that we’re too stupid, too poor, and too small to succeed as an independent nation.

Remember back in 2014, when the unionists told us oil and gas was finished, that it was unreliable, and that an independent Scotland couldn’t possibly depend on it? Fast forward 12 years and, miraculously, the oil and gas reserves have refilled themselves and are now central to the energy policy of the UK’s right-wing parties. Let’s also not forget that an independent Scotland would be 100% energy self-sufficient and a net exporter. But inside the Union, we somehow pay more for the energy we produce than consumers in the rest of the UK.

So yeah, I'll have no choice but to vote for them until one of the other parties with a chance of winning puts Scottish independence on their agenda.

Excellent post. The SNP chose to put women in danger....

Interesting- why do you support independence?

I’m Scottish and I don’t vote SNP but through my unionist/anti-nationalist perspective

those who do want independence vote SNP or Green and and those who don’t vote for the unionist parties

there are less nationalist parties than unionist ones so the vote splits less and guarantees the SNP biggest party status

and

Labour have been shit for a very long time and so some vote SNP because they are perceived as being competent in government

and for some it’s just a cult

it’s the everything is shit and let’s blame our neighbour party. Some
for snp for the exact same reasons as some in England vote for reform

There is very little love of the SNP no matter what your political persuasion.

unless something happens to make Labour less shit then the SNP will win again

I'm not in Scotland, no. I know I don't know very much...I started this thread to learn more..

Can I check : by 'national news' do you mean BBC news? I understand the anger about such discrepancies, shameful...

@Carla786 yes BBC, ITV and Sky