To wonder why people keep voting SNP?

[Carla786]

I don't know a lot about Scottish politics and I may be missing important things they've done. However, I used to have a lot of respect for Nicola Sturgeon but her handling of gender critical issues has destroyed that. The SNP do not seem very effective at reducing drugs, poverty, or other serious issues.
My understanding was that quite a few people vote SNP not because they want independence (which most Scots appear to not want) but because they think the SNP are more committed to Scotland sorcifically than Tories and Labour. How accurate is this though..?

Since most Scots appear to not want independence, I thought the SNP was probably high achieving in other areas & Tories & Labour seen as poor by comparison. Or is it more often seen as the best of 3 bad options? Or is SNP much more positive than the impression I've got?

Life under the SNP
Education fucked
NHS fucked
Ferries fucked
Women’s rights fucked

But let’s go independent and there will be free money trees and whisky coming out the tap

Interesting point re centralisation.

Re the Union not working : I sympathise with people wanting a wholly Scottish-run government but would financial issues make this difficult in the short term? I know most Scots wanted to stay, but pps have noted the high financial threshold needed for rejoining the EU

A lot of people work hard but a lot of people don’t throughout the UK. The welfare bill is soaring. Look at Polish builders for instance. Left their homeland and moved to the UK to work and earn. How many Brits would think of doing that? Not many. I have lived in many EU countries and a lot of them have a sizable proportion of people willing to live off state handouts, but many don’t. Former soviet states where you HAD to work or starve, Scandinavian countries where there is a much more community minded attitude and you work to proudly pay taxes to support those who are truly unable.

People feel entitled to benefits here like they aren’t in so many other countries.

University tuition is not free! It's paid by the tax payer, with a higher and higher burden placed on 'high earners', ie anyone earning £43k or over. Its unsustainable.

I would be struggling to pay my mortgage following independence if I stayed in Scotland. The election of politicians would be the least of my concerns. like everyone else I have a mortgage which I have to pay the GBP amount to the provider. If I’m getting a devalued Scottish £ I would be unable to pay.

Indy would be fine for some people but anyone relying on benefits (pensions are a benefit) or those who have a mortgage or public sector workers would be stuffed.

The cost of uni tuition is nearly the same as the cost to taxpayers of the increased taxes we pay in Scotland.

100% this

Exactly. But hey, INDEPENDENCE anyway.

I agree with this to some extent..I do think this is somewhat tied up with the frustration that led to Brexit, in that, among other issues,, people from abroad are more likely to know English than people here are to know a foreign language, so migration was more one-way. We should make foreign language GCSE compulsory again.

But I agree broadly re the benefits issue. This must change.

I’m in England but DH is Scottish from a massive family. They were all very pro independence at the vote and it was all anti-English. It’s always been quite tiring explaining that places like Westminster are also not interested in the north of England and how bad things have gotten here over the years, how our industries have gone etc they think England is one place rolling in money thanks to the government, which has stolen it all from Scotland.

Their support for independence and especially the SNP is low now though because of education and the NHS up there. I’ve heard bad things about unis even though it’s free. Isn’t Dundee uni going bankrupt?

Are the issues pps have mentioned re education, NHS, ferries,,drugs, life expectancy, transgender issues solely a concoction of the 'unionist media'?

I don’t know any Scots who ‘hate’ English people, saying that this is the norm is ridiculous. Scotland is a beautiful country, the majority of us love living here and nothing is ‘fucked’ despite what some negative posters are saying.

The unionist media blow up anything negative about Scotland to make it look like we’re failing and the reason people keep voting for the SNP is because they are sensible enough not to be taken in by it. There’s always room for improvement but we live here so we know all these things are not fucked. Most of us are thankful we had a buffer during the 14 years of Tory austerity foisted on us by the English vote.

There are plenty of English and other nationalities living happily in Scotland. If what you have described happened then something about your posts tell me this was maybe a you problem as opposed to an English problem.

Where is it you live?

What have they done?

Scottish Govt have limited borrowing powers. The debt has been run up by Westminster.

No they don’t. But this is mumsnet where the hatred of 0.1% of the population is off the scale.

It hasn’t, it’s still superior.

I wonder why people seemed to dislike you in Scotland? 😬

I think you’ll find any right minded person (backed up by polls) thinks putting men into women’s jails is a really stupid, dangerous idea. As is the SNP’s thrall to the ridiculous notion of gender ideology which has the potential to harm women and girls. You can keep trying to spin it as ‘hating trans people’ when it’s really about preserving women’s rights to sex based spaces.

No such thing as free university education in any Country. That's the problem with spending other people's money. You think it's free. Higher taxes and everyone either finds ways not to pay it or leaves Scotland. The diminishing returns of punitive tax at higher rates is well known.

www.thenational.scot/news/24890374.people-moving-scotland-rest-uk-boost-population-growth/

Isn't there fewer spaces for Scots because universities need the money so they favour fee paying students?

Correct. I’d hardly trust pro Indy The National either.