To wonder why people keep voting SNP?

[Carla786]

I don't know a lot about Scottish politics and I may be missing important things they've done. However, I used to have a lot of respect for Nicola Sturgeon but her handling of gender critical issues has destroyed that. The SNP do not seem very effective at reducing drugs, poverty, or other serious issues.
My understanding was that quite a few people vote SNP not because they want independence (which most Scots appear to not want) but because they think the SNP are more committed to Scotland sorcifically than Tories and Labour. How accurate is this though..?

Since most Scots appear to not want independence, I thought the SNP was probably high achieving in other areas & Tories & Labour seen as poor by comparison. Or is it more often seen as the best of 3 bad options? Or is SNP much more positive than the impression I've got?

Exponential rise in violence?

Why has this happened? Why did the SNP affect schools so negatively?

Males are 50% of the population. 'Trans' is not a third sex. Transwomen are still fully intact males with penis and testicles, no matter how MRAs like you manipulate, twist, lie and distort. These are MALE. And it doesn't matter what they call themselves, a fully intact male where RAPE SURVIVORS LIKE ME ARE, doing this, is not appropriate. No matter how much you hate women and girls and prioritise males.

I worked in Education. I took early retirement. In my OPINION, it’s the policy of presumption of mainstream. I can see why they’re doing it and there isn’t much choice as most ASN schools were closed in the 90s. Before we had a parliament. I think that the presumption is wrong but it’s girfec.

The previous poster quite possibly was asleep. If I remember correctly, this was the bill they were debating up til around midnight two nights in a row. It was deemed that important to get it through.

I watched it. Passed by all parties with the exception of the Tories though two of them voted for it.

I disagree. My mother is Scottish and I spent a large chunk of my childhood with grandparents and cousins in Scotland. The creation of the United Kingdom was a joint enterprise between Scotland and England that created one of the most successful countries in the world. The economic opportunities it brought Scotland and England enormous, and it did so in a way that kept Scotland’s heritage in almost every other respect: it’s own education system and legal system being the most obvious, which has helped nurture Scotland’s culture through over 300 years of union. That’s a pretty unique success story. Compare it with the ancient kingdoms of France or any other European country, where every regional system was subsumed into the greater whole with the intention of eradicating difference.

This utter nonsense... again...

Yes, the very demographic least likely to be politically engaged and get off their arses to vote... are the people keeping the SNP in government 🙄

Another one - we aren’t allowed to hit our children. Cross party support for that one too 👍

So you’re not Scottish and don’t live, work or pay taxes here. So you won’t be voting SNP as you aren’t allowed to - which was the point of the thread before it was derailed (again) by the anti trans contingent.

Anti men in women’s spaces and jails. Which the SNP advocate for. Which is part of the thread. So not a derailment.

"anti trans contingent"

You mean it was derailed by the anti women contingent of MRAs like yourself.

Btw, we have no problem with transmen, as they are female. So are we only 50% 'anti trans'? Or is it maybe, just MAYBE, that we are anti male? But you don't use critical thinking so that fact would never dawn on you that it's about be anti men, not 'anti trans'.

And you are right, as a rape survivor I certainly am anti these males in women and girls change rooms:

No you derailed the thread with your denial of what’s actually happening.

Are any of the Scottish voters on this thread splitting their vote?

The SNP can’t decide what they want with regards to oil exploration.
Nicola Sturgeon when she was first Minister wanted a transition away from oil and gas . They established a presumption against new oil and gas development hoping to transition towards renewable energy. This is resulting in reduced investment and loss of jobs . Thousands of jobs lost in the oil and gas industry.. but the SNP are happy to import oil and gas . Not enough jobs so far in renewables to make up for the loss

are you saying that those who get anti-English bigotry thrown in their face are asking for it? Are you 12? Totally disgusting attitude trying to down play a totally disgusting attitude that is widespread in Scotland.

So you are saying someone who experiences xenophobic abuse it’s their fault?

Doing it again. Victim blaming. Nice attitude. Oh I’m anti Indy so deserve to get it in the neck. How ‘civic and joyous’. There are no excuses for anyone to have battered me as a child for being ‘English’, and yet you seem to think it was justified. Nice.

For what it’s worth I don’t spout political views in public. I find the whole Indy conversation very tiresome, and I learned to keep my mouth shut to avoid a battering at a young age. I comment on these threads because as an economist I just find the level of economic illiteracy with regards to Indy staggering. Yes, vote for it all you like but go in with eyes wide open that it would be a total shit show financially and lots of Scot’s would really suffer. Don’t be a Farage and lie and pretend it would be anything but!

Re schools : Google tells me that recent surge in school violence was fuelled by Covid and cost of living crisis, but clearly since all UK had this, there must have been something going on in Scotland specifically to precipitate this. Some articles I've read say schools were prioritising less punishment-focused discipline methods : was this due to SNP or something else?

Schools have no teeth to discipline kids. They just have to put up with disruption and violence.

Tbh?

I live in the central belt.

We’re far too busy slagging each other for being “Unionists” or “Separatists” to allow the English who live here to be more than a passing thought. They join in.

We have English MSPs. We have Indy campaigners who are English but live, work and vote here.

I have English friends and neighbours. There is nothing unusual about living in Scotland when you were born and bred in England.

We’re all British.

To be insulted constantly by Scottish people is probably because you’re an arse, rather than you having a different accent.

I'm no supporter of Indy now

• but Scotland's union with England was under duress failing to acknowledge that exposes your ignorance. There might be a plausible case to be made, but one that doesn't offer an alternative perspective (or ignores) other issues like McCrone report makes your opinion appear more vibes than fact based.

Why is this?