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Should we move to an open borders system?

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JonesTown · 30/01/2026 16:55

Spain announced this week that it will allow half a million immigrants who arrived illegally to stay in the country. In the US, many on the left are calling for all immigration enforcement and deportations to be halted.

Here, the Greens support a world without borders and oppose action to prevent small boat crossings to the U.K.

Should we move to an open borders system where anyone who wants to is allowed to come to the U.K. and stay permanently?

Spain approves decree to regularise half a million undocumented migrants

Move affecting those who have been in Spain five months or more runs counter to anti-migration policies across Europe

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/27/spain-decree-regularise-undocumented-migrants

OP posts:
RaininSummer · 30/01/2026 18:56

I don't think it should be a green light to illegal entrants to stay as that just rewards people who broke the law.

Alwaysontherun · 30/01/2026 19:01

Absolutely not!

I’m not against immigration but it needs to be done in a controlled way through the correct legal channels

quittingsugar2026 · 30/01/2026 19:19

floppybit · 30/01/2026 17:35

We will be paying for him to be in prison for the next 29 years! What a waste of that woman’s life and tax payers money.

Yes exactly like we don't have enough of our criminals we are paying for,execution should be legal for cases like this

Panss · 30/01/2026 19:19

If anything we should close ourselves off and actual protect the border.

DdraigGoch · 30/01/2026 19:22

JonesTown · 30/01/2026 17:01

@Raquelos

Personally I am pro-immigration, so long as it is done in a legal and organised way.

I don't think we should be encouraging people to risk their lives coming illegally and those who do shouldn't be allowed to stay here.

I suspect that they wouldn't be risking their lives if borders were open, because they could cross the Channel on a Eurostar rather than an inflatable dinghy.

That aside, it's a crackpot scheme.

Tableforjoan · 30/01/2026 19:32

nope no erm nope.

Open borders for those who can come over fully supporting themselves yes. As in buy a home, private health insurance, private schooling.

Visa options for those who can be sponsored.

Deportation for any small boat arrivals and any non citizen that commits a crime even if it’s petty theft from Tesco.

Happy for the rest of the world to treat U.K. citizens the same as well 👍🏻

Oh and biometrics of all arrivals from other countries wanting to live here. Finger prints, dna, retina scans. So no trying to sneak back in if we kick you out.

Asylum for women and genuine children none of this 30 year old 15 year old boy with grey hair and full beard. Set up in the country they are fleeing or a neighbouring country so they can come in safely. But then they need to learn the language and get a job as part of the conditions.

We breed enough spongers and criminals without throwing open the doors to the rest of the worlds.

ChequerToRed · 30/01/2026 19:37

Im mystified by utopian thinkers who reckon it’s a good idea, as it doesn’t bear up to even thirty seconds thought.
Let’s say we go for it, and in the next six months 500,000 people rock up.
You’d have to change the NHS to a different system, probably insurance based, as no country could afford free at the point of use healthcare for that number of incomers who’ve made little to no contribution. You’d have a large number of people who wouldn’t qualify for any state support as you’d have to restrict welfare payments. A large number of those people would not have the skills or qualifications to do anything except the most low paid jobs, if they could even get them as the competition would be fierce, leaving them vulnerable to exploitation. There is not enough housing, let alone affordable housing, for that number of people.
What you’d very quickly develop is a deeply impoverished, even destitute, underclass living precariously in and around major cities. Bristol, for instance, already has a problem with people living on the street in dilapidated caravans, a recent eviction of which showed that many were undocumented migrants working in the black economy or in incredibly low paid work such as food delivery.
Then there’s the benefits unrestricted movement would bring to organised crime- people trafficking would be incredibly easy, as would modern slavery, and evading the law by simply moving countries.
You can’t make the claim that they’d work and pay tax as a great many would be in such low paid work that the tax intake from them wouldn’t cover costs, if enough work even existed, and the bureaucracy needed to deal with it would be enormous.

We’d quickly have levels of human misery unseen in the UK since the 19th century.

Open borders is pie in the sky thinking for cranks with no concept of unintended consequences.

ChurchWindows · 30/01/2026 20:14

cramptramp · 30/01/2026 18:31

And there are 3 reasons to know it’s a bad idea.

The Lib Dems and Labour don't support open borders.

randomchap · 30/01/2026 20:18

MissAustenMadeAQuilt · 30/01/2026 16:59

The Green Party, most of the Lib Dems ans many Labour MPs believe in this so why not!

The green party's position is more nuanced than that

https://migration.greenparty.org.uk/policy-open-borders/

"Spokespeople for the Green Party, including Carla Denyer and Adrian Ramsay, are sometimes asked by journalists about the statement “The Green Party wants to see a world without borders” at the start of our migration policy (MG100). This is sometimes misinterpreted as suggesting that we advocate immediately removing all border controls.
This is not the case.
The agreed migration policy (MG100) in full actually states:
The Green Party wants to see a world without borders, until this happens the Green Party will implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration where people can move if they wish to do so.
The first part relates to a vision of the future, we look to unions such as the EU Schengen area, the United States and closer to home with the common travel area between the UK and Ireland and concludes that the free movement of people in these areas is desirable, useful and seems a quite normal way of existing for citizens of those countries.
"

Shocking that a thread about immigration contains factual inaccuracies

Does the Green Party advocate for open borders? - Green Party Asylum and Migration Policy Working Group

Spokespeople for the Green Party, including Carla Denyer and Adrian Ramsay, are sometimes asked by journalists about the statement “The Green Party wants to see a world without borders” at...

https://migration.greenparty.org.uk/policy-open-borders/

Pineneedlesincarpet · 30/01/2026 20:25

randomchap · 30/01/2026 20:18

The green party's position is more nuanced than that

https://migration.greenparty.org.uk/policy-open-borders/

"Spokespeople for the Green Party, including Carla Denyer and Adrian Ramsay, are sometimes asked by journalists about the statement “The Green Party wants to see a world without borders” at the start of our migration policy (MG100). This is sometimes misinterpreted as suggesting that we advocate immediately removing all border controls.
This is not the case.
The agreed migration policy (MG100) in full actually states:
The Green Party wants to see a world without borders, until this happens the Green Party will implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration where people can move if they wish to do so.
The first part relates to a vision of the future, we look to unions such as the EU Schengen area, the United States and closer to home with the common travel area between the UK and Ireland and concludes that the free movement of people in these areas is desirable, useful and seems a quite normal way of existing for citizens of those countries.
"

Shocking that a thread about immigration contains factual inaccuracies

Hmmm...."the Green Party will implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration where people can move if they wish to do so.".

......Where people can move if they wish to do so.....🧐

sharkstale · 30/01/2026 20:26

Absolutely not.

NotAnotherScarf · 30/01/2026 20:26

dizzydizzydizzy · 30/01/2026 17:12

It's not true to say the UK benefits system is one of the most generous in Europe. According to this, it is below average:

fullfact.org/immigration/uks-welfare-system-most-generous-europe/

It might well be, but explain why migrants in France attempt to come to Britain.

About 10 years ago there was a book of the week on Radio 4 it was about an Afghan family, mum dad, 2 boys. The oldest had a heart condition. They travelled to France. Where they made 4 attempts to get to Britain for treatment of the child. He died at 36, having never worked and using the NHS throughout....the interesting thing is that they were all given right to remain in Austria...the Austrian health service is better than the NHS, but still they spent 2 years getting to Britain....think about it.

Vaxtable · 30/01/2026 20:48

No

dizzydizzydizzy · 30/01/2026 20:49

NotAnotherScarf · 30/01/2026 20:26

It might well be, but explain why migrants in France attempt to come to Britain.

About 10 years ago there was a book of the week on Radio 4 it was about an Afghan family, mum dad, 2 boys. The oldest had a heart condition. They travelled to France. Where they made 4 attempts to get to Britain for treatment of the child. He died at 36, having never worked and using the NHS throughout....the interesting thing is that they were all given right to remain in Austria...the Austrian health service is better than the NHS, but still they spent 2 years getting to Britain....think about it.

There will be numerous reasons why migrants in France might prefer Britain. For example:

  • friends or family already in UK
  • speak English but not French
  • established community from their country in UK but not France
  • tbey might think UK is more multicultural
  • might think they have better job opportunities in the UK
  • might believe the UK asylum system is easier to navigate or more generous
whereHeroesAremade · 30/01/2026 20:51

The UK already has had open borders for decades. Anyone who wanted to come here, came, and is coming, one way or another

Proccy · 30/01/2026 20:58

No chance

Thelnebriati · 30/01/2026 21:03

Spain is twice the size of the UK, has 49 million inhabitants and a population density of approx. 96 people per square km.
The UK has a population of nearly 70 million, with a high population density of approx. 280–285 people per square km.
It would not make sense for us to have open borders. We can't compare our situation to Spain.

LastTrainsEast · 30/01/2026 21:05

As long as that includes people's houses.

Why would anyone want to have a home and keep out the people who didn't build it or pay for it?

All door locks should be removed.

Anything in the house is of course available for everyone. Why would it matter who paid for the food. Are we so mean we'd let people starve.

LastTrainsEast · 30/01/2026 21:09

As a rule of thumb if the Greens support something you can safely say it's bat-shit crazy.

Rachel Millward, the Deputy Leader of the Green Party said she was all for immigrants as long as not where she lived. It was fine for other people to have them. People who didn't matter.

Clavinova · 30/01/2026 21:17

dizzydizzydizzy · 30/01/2026 17:12

It's not true to say the UK benefits system is one of the most generous in Europe. According to this, it is below average:

fullfact.org/immigration/uks-welfare-system-most-generous-europe/

Conclusion in your link (NB the data is from 2007/2009);

The relative 'generosity' of the UK's benefits system in comparison to other European countries can be measured in a number of different ways, and the outcome will vary depending upon which metric and dataset is chosen.

With this in mind the UK can rank anywhere from top to below average in a European league table of benefits expenditure. If Fraser Nelson was referring specifically to government spending on welfare, he may well have a point

NotAnotherScarf · 30/01/2026 22:37

dizzydizzydizzy · 30/01/2026 20:49

There will be numerous reasons why migrants in France might prefer Britain. For example:

  • friends or family already in UK
  • speak English but not French
  • established community from their country in UK but not France
  • tbey might think UK is more multicultural
  • might think they have better job opportunities in the UK
  • might believe the UK asylum system is easier to navigate or more generous

Then why do we get ivory coast "refugees" when the first language of the ivory coast is french.
Over a billion people speak English...so we should let them all live here?
Theres an established community of Indian people here so everyone from India....7 billion should be allowed here.

Youre talking shite and you know it, I tell you what, I know of a poor Nigerian man who needs a sponsor, he's 29 and a student with a wife and 4 kids, can he come and stay with you?

Wintersgirl · 30/01/2026 22:41

Christ no thanks OP

suburberphobe · 30/01/2026 22:43

^There will be numerous reasons why migrants in France might prefer Britain. For example:

  • friends or family already in UK
  • speak English but not French
  • established community from their country in UK but not France
  • tbey might think UK is more multicultural
  • might think they have better job opportunities in the UK
  • might believe the UK asylum system is easier to navigate or more generous^

You've left out the most important one.

UK has no personal ID system (card), which we are obliged to be able to produce when asked. I.e. at a hospital appointment.

I have no problem with it, it's also a passport to the EU (and countries like Norway and Switzerland). Fabulous!

We also have loads of refugees in this country, so they have their own ID papers.

FrazzledHippy · 30/01/2026 22:44

Fuck no