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I was called a Spinster at work today, I was really offended.

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Seahorses12 · 25/01/2026 21:27

I do one day a week volunteer work, and today a woman I work with who I don't know very well asked me if I was married or had children. I replied that I wasn't and didn't have kids and she said disparagingly 'Oh, so your a Spinster. I have an aunt who's a Spinster.' It's such a horrible, judgemental term with negative connotations. No one has ever used it to my face before. I have a reasonably successful career behind me and I like my independance. I've had long term relationships with men but I'm currently single and have a lot of single friends. I feel belittled by this comment. AIBU?

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LaDamaDeElche · 26/01/2026 21:10

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WearyAuldWumman · 26/01/2026 21:11

TheDaysAreGettingLongerAgain · 26/01/2026 21:06

I worked with lots of eastern Europeans and found many young women to be extremely conservative - on a par with my mother's generation.

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Absolutely. I even saw that in an online textbook that I used at one point - and it was written by a woman who was only in her 30s.

Mandemikc · 26/01/2026 21:13

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Your prejudiced and an unsavoury person. To diminish me because I'm American is as bad as someone diminishing you because your Spanish or a woman.

namechangetheworld · 26/01/2026 21:14

I'm listed as a spinster on my marriage certificate, and the wedding was only twelve years ago! It always makes me smile. I assumed it was the correct terminology for unmarried women.

If English is her second language then she's unlikely to be aware of any negative connotations. Doubt she meant any offence.

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 21:14

Mandemikc · 26/01/2026 20:57

I'm not your Scooby Doo. You need to sort out this mystery of whether I bring this subject up all by yourself.

Well its such a shame to post such a long post and not make your meaning clear.

Do any other posters understand? I am genuinely intrigued to find out what goes on at these family gatherings. It all sounds rather gothic.

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 21:15

Mandemikc · 26/01/2026 21:13

Your prejudiced and an unsavoury person. To diminish me because I'm American is as bad as someone diminishing you because your Spanish or a woman.

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Oh I thought you spoke English as a second language!

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 21:15

namechangetheworld · 26/01/2026 21:14

I'm listed as a spinster on my marriage certificate, and the wedding was only twelve years ago! It always makes me smile. I assumed it was the correct terminology for unmarried women.

If English is her second language then she's unlikely to be aware of any negative connotations. Doubt she meant any offence.

Where were you married?

daisychain01 · 26/01/2026 21:17

I asked ChatGPT whether calling a woman a spinster could be deemed an insult or a slur:

In contemporary usage, yes—the term “spinster,” when used directly to a woman, would generally be taken as insulting or at least disparaging, even if no offence was explicitly intended.

Why it is perceived as an insult

Historical baggage
Historically, spinster was a neutral legal and occupational term referring to an unmarried woman (often one who spun wool). Over time, however, it accumulated negative connotations—suggesting bitterness, social failure, or undesirability.

Gendered asymmetry
There is no true male equivalent with the same pejorative weight. Terms like “bachelor” have remained largely positive or neutral, while “spinster” became a marker of deficiency. This imbalance contributes strongly to why the term is now viewed as sexist.

Implied judgement
When used to someone’s face, the word almost always carries an implied judgement about:

  1. marital status as a measure of worth,
  2. age and desirability,
  3. conformity to social expectations.
  4. Even if framed humorously, these implications are difficult to separate from the word itself.

Contemporary norms of respect
Modern social and professional norms prioritise neutral, self-chosen descriptors. Labeling someone with a term that historically diminished women’s social value violates those norms.

Mandemikc · 26/01/2026 21:19

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 21:14

Well its such a shame to post such a long post and not make your meaning clear.

Do any other posters understand? I am genuinely intrigued to find out what goes on at these family gatherings. It all sounds rather gothic.

In your original reply, you asked if I bring up the topic of her being labeled a spinster. I specifically said, in my OP,that I do not because it would be dickish.

If you are curious about other aspects of my story, I'm more than happy to elaborate. But you have to be specific.

I have noticed that over the last 40 years, people are less inclined to ask specific questions and chose to respond with emotion and opinion. I'm not saying that you have done this. I think I'm intimating that I have become intolerant of generic questions that don't provide the details needed to answer accurately. I chose not to assume. We seem to be stuck in this loop where emotive conversation is the norm and intelligence has taken a back seat.

MikeRafone · 26/01/2026 21:20

Mandemikc · 26/01/2026 20:18

You are being obstinate. Not stupid or unintelligent, just obstinate. I'm sure you know the definition so I won't repeat it. This is a real English word that some people have adopted into their lexicon. It's not insulting.

You are following the crowd with believing that words have power. They don't. YOU allow words to hurt you. Stop it. It's an accurate and specific word that describes your current marital and child status.

As a side. My wife, who is a "feminist", is labeled as a spinster on our marriage certificate from 2016. She accepted the term as she didn't have a choice and the law had no other option. But in the end, she could care less.

The social weight arises from the feminist carpet bombing of anything historically feminine. It's only a cultural insult to the weaker thinking who believe words have power and women are men.

Oh do I laugh when the subject arises at family gatherings or anniversaries. I laugh right next to her frowns and glaring eyes. I never bring it up myself, because that's dickish. But when it happens, she takes it because she knows it's just a word. She doesn't like it, but she's a bigger person and knows that the word "spinster" is part of her history (UK), like it or not. And still, I laugh. So should you. Own it.

did you mean to be so rude?

WearyAuldWumman · 26/01/2026 21:20

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 21:15

Where were you married?

I think my marriage certificate had 'spinster' - that was Scotland, the 1990s. Dh's side of the certificate definitely had 'divorced'. I'm fairly certain I remember the minister reading out 'spinster' for the banns.

It was the same for a family member's marriage certificate from the 1930s.

MikeRafone · 26/01/2026 21:25

WearyAuldWumman · 26/01/2026 21:20

I think my marriage certificate had 'spinster' - that was Scotland, the 1990s. Dh's side of the certificate definitely had 'divorced'. I'm fairly certain I remember the minister reading out 'spinster' for the banns.

It was the same for a family member's marriage certificate from the 1930s.

It was changed in England and Wales in 2005, Northern Ireland about the same time - though someone up thread said their certificate after 2005 said "never married" instead of single for both parties

Jk987 · 26/01/2026 21:25

Jamesblonde2 · 25/01/2026 21:40

Why is it a rude word? It sums up someone’s situation. Like the word widow or widower.

It’s very old fashioned and totally unnecessary to put that label on someone. Of course it’s rude and insulting. Do you still use the phrase then?

Mandemikc · 26/01/2026 21:26

MikeRafone · 26/01/2026 21:20

did you mean to be so rude?

I wasn't being rude, or at least I don't believe I was. I was framing her outlook using appropriate words. I thought I was very clear in my thoughts and included a background to why I thought that way. We don't always have to have "feels" when we reply.

I believe strongly that if someone asks an adult question, we provide an adult answer.

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Mandemikc · 26/01/2026 21:29

MikeRafone · 26/01/2026 21:25

It was changed in England and Wales in 2005, Northern Ireland about the same time - though someone up thread said their certificate after 2005 said "never married" instead of single for both parties

Our marriage was in July 2005 and her line said Spinster. That's interesting that it changed the same year.

I just checked Chat GPT and it was changed in September 2025. Thanks for the info!

Mandemikc · 26/01/2026 21:30

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Shhhhhhhhh. You should calm down.

If you aren't Spanish, then you are committing cultural appropriation. That's very anti-4th wave. Very naughty señorita. 😉

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 21:31

Mandemikc · 26/01/2026 21:19

In your original reply, you asked if I bring up the topic of her being labeled a spinster. I specifically said, in my OP,that I do not because it would be dickish.

If you are curious about other aspects of my story, I'm more than happy to elaborate. But you have to be specific.

I have noticed that over the last 40 years, people are less inclined to ask specific questions and chose to respond with emotion and opinion. I'm not saying that you have done this. I think I'm intimating that I have become intolerant of generic questions that don't provide the details needed to answer accurately. I chose not to assume. We seem to be stuck in this loop where emotive conversation is the norm and intelligence has taken a back seat.

So other people regularly discuss the word spinster at family gatherings, and you just laugh - 'A ha ha ha' - while she frowns and glares?

Again, it all sounds very gothic.

I'm imagining a clock ticking in the background and everyone dressed in black.

Seahorses12 · 26/01/2026 21:32

daisychain01 · 26/01/2026 21:17

I asked ChatGPT whether calling a woman a spinster could be deemed an insult or a slur:

In contemporary usage, yes—the term “spinster,” when used directly to a woman, would generally be taken as insulting or at least disparaging, even if no offence was explicitly intended.

Why it is perceived as an insult

Historical baggage
Historically, spinster was a neutral legal and occupational term referring to an unmarried woman (often one who spun wool). Over time, however, it accumulated negative connotations—suggesting bitterness, social failure, or undesirability.

Gendered asymmetry
There is no true male equivalent with the same pejorative weight. Terms like “bachelor” have remained largely positive or neutral, while “spinster” became a marker of deficiency. This imbalance contributes strongly to why the term is now viewed as sexist.

Implied judgement
When used to someone’s face, the word almost always carries an implied judgement about:

  1. marital status as a measure of worth,
  2. age and desirability,
  3. conformity to social expectations.
  4. Even if framed humorously, these implications are difficult to separate from the word itself.

Contemporary norms of respect
Modern social and professional norms prioritise neutral, self-chosen descriptors. Labeling someone with a term that historically diminished women’s social value violates those norms.

@daisychain01 thanks for the excellent ChatGBT summary, it outlines the main points so well, and pretty much sums up my own negative feelings about it. I think this thread has run its course now! Thanks to those who left insightful comments.

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nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 21:32

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I was imagining Transylvanian.

Mandemikc · 26/01/2026 21:35

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 21:31

So other people regularly discuss the word spinster at family gatherings, and you just laugh - 'A ha ha ha' - while she frowns and glares?

Again, it all sounds very gothic.

I'm imagining a clock ticking in the background and everyone dressed in black.

No, I don't laugh hahahaha. It's an on-going joke/point between us. I acknowledged at our wedding that the term was old-fashioned and not necessary. But since it exists, I take the piss out of her on the rare occasion that it comes up. Believe me, she has many reasons to make fun of me. This is one of very few opportunities where I can give it back.

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 21:37

Mandemikc · 26/01/2026 21:35

No, I don't laugh hahahaha. It's an on-going joke/point between us. I acknowledged at our wedding that the term was old-fashioned and not necessary. But since it exists, I take the piss out of her on the rare occasion that it comes up. Believe me, she has many reasons to make fun of me. This is one of very few opportunities where I can give it back.

From what you say, it is surprising that she wouldn't remember her years of spinsterhood with fondness.

UncannyFanny · 26/01/2026 21:40

I think it’s a horrible term but my friend who’s a spinster thinks it’s really funny.

Mandemikc · 26/01/2026 21:41

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 21:37

From what you say, it is surprising that she wouldn't remember her years of spinsterhood with fondness.

Haha I totally agree. Believe me, when we signed, she had this look on her that wasn't happy. I looked down at the marriage cert and she had her finger right on the word. I looked at her and gave a nod that I agreed with her. But we were getting married and I wasn't about to add any shadows to our lovely day. Of course I felt and believed exactly what she felt, the word just wasn't necessary. The reason I take the piss now is because it's such a silly thing. She agrees, but she knows that I am with her that the word should, and rightfully so, has been retired from marriage certificates and english. The word has run it's course.

starfishmummy · 26/01/2026 21:48

Seahorses12 · 25/01/2026 21:52

The woman was in her 40's, and I supposed I just felt judged, I did say to her that I didn't like the word Spinster, for me it conjures up a poor elderly woman spinning a wheel in a medieval home! Whereas Bachelor conjures up a free wheeling happy lifestyle. I should have laughed but I was just thrown by it. I am quite sensitive.

But in medieval times spinsters were highly valued skilled craftspeople; a skill that allowed many to earn their own money and live independently. They had a legal and financial freedom that most married women didn't have. It was only later that the term became derogatory.

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