So upset about ICE killings in Minnesota

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So upset about the killings. No investigation and victim blaming from the Trump administration. I see no hope for America. Trump will cancel the midterms possibly elections or will rig them. The most powerful western country - one we thought was our friend is dying
im so sad for the bereaved and do sad for the country

I hear this repeated a lot and it’s not really the same. During Obama’s era, illegal immigrants caught at the border were taken to dedicated facilities where they were eventually deported. It’s much easier when they never actually leave.

Biden instituted catch and release, so they were spread all around the interior. This makes the job of deporting them much harder.

They are likely bots/Russian shills

It’s really not news that a despotic Islamist regime behaves like a despotic Islamist regime. It is news when the US state murders its citizens. Plus it’s their own country in a lot of cases so they are entitled to speak out.

I’m no Trump supporter, he’s a contrarion nutjob. Doesn’t automatically make everything his Govt. does wrong.
The Marxist Left are Fascists in the true meaning of the word.
If it’s true that the Lt. Governor of Minnesota is on the Antifa chatboards cheering them on and passing on sensitive information, then that is Insurrection.
Most of the Women on here haven’t seen Antifa/Trantifa up close and personal, when you’ve been inside a private room with dozens of other Women and there are screaming protestors banging on the windows, letting off airhorns, screaming death threats because they’ve been told that those middle aged Mums and Grandmas who want to protect the rights of Women and Children are the enemy, you might get an idea of who these ‘protestors’ are. They are Terrorists, there’s no other word.

I thought that but I looked up some of the posters and they're on threads about school issues, Brooklyn Beckham, recipes etc. So either sophisticated bots or more concerning, genuine.

Some of them aren't real. TBH, those are the ones that make most sense to me. I can understand them. Shit posting because it's your programming is one thing. Shit posting because it puts food on the table, I get that too. It's not as though they're ripping their own country apart for pay.🤷‍♀️

The real pro-Trump posts from actual American posters are more concerning and baffling.🫣

So basically if people don’t think the way you think they have to be bots. The world has gone mad. I am happy to have robust debate with anyone and I would never denigrate someone else’s views just because they don’t agree with mine. I’m pretty left wing on some issues and right wing on others. I don’t find it at all concerning if someone has polar opposite views to me. I am happy to defend my position and I have been known to ch age my mind if someone makes a great point I have not thought about. I would never ever say someone else’s views are ‘concerning’.

www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/22/experts-warn-of-threat-to-democracy-by-ai-bot-swarms-infesting-social-media

No. But we know that bots have had a huge influence on politics via social media. And we know that there's a lot of suspicious online activity related to or coming from the Trump administration. We know that Russia interfered with previous US elections using bot accounts.

So I aways bear it in mind when interacting with people online about politics. It's just basic critical thinking. When was the account created, do they just post the same message or link again and again. Does their prose (or username) read AI generated. It's part of being responsible online.

As for your comment about never saying someone else's views are 'concerning' - I have to disagree there. I think there are plenty of concerning views out there. For example, Pete Hegseth is a supporter and has shared material from Doug Wilson, that supports curtailing women's suffrage. To me that's quite a concerning point of view for a US Secretory of State in a supposed democracy.

A good reminder for people wondering why Minneapolis, and not other cities …

Here’s a strong statement by the Chicago PD superintendent regarding ICE interference.

https://x.com/theofficertatum/status/2010734834855911892?s=46&t=LHu5hEVEgoG4lIIfMesJGA

Reminder that he is an appointee in a blue city and a blue state. And yet, the city does not have the same kind of chaos as in Minneapolis…

ICE need to be able to do their job in a way that enables oversight.

At the moment Americans and the rest of the world can see that when a masked man executes an American Citizen in the street, the government applauds.

If this is the way ICE agents act when they are in front of a crowd with cameras, what are they doing when they can't be seen?

Even if you support the theoretical aims of ICE, the most rational sympathetic view is that Trump's ICE policies have created a chaotic, counterproductive mess.

Remind me again, weren't Americans supposed to be against tyranny?

So the Minneapolis police made the ICE agents shoot the disarmed man on the ground?

It's well known that Putin and Trump are actively employing and paying bots and trolls to post messages on MN especially on topics such as Brooklyn Beckham and Sunday Roast recipes...

In a sane world you need more evidence than that to put somebody in prison, never mind execute them on the street.

WTF? This isn’t about women. Look at the men in senior positions. He promotes a type (sycophantic pyshopaths).

I don't think it has been this bad in my lifetime.

It's not difficult to find examples of both Democrat and Republican governments doing bad things, but the understanding that they were expected to comply with basic ethical standards created some guard rails.

Trump's government doesn't even pretend.

Apart from the rest of your post which is obviously bollocks, you don’t know anything about Marxism do you? You have never read his work have you? For your information, the Communism seen in Russia and some South American States is a bastardisation of socialism.

idk Rubio, Miller and Lutnick have been very effective. I’d put Susie Wiles in that same category.

RFK is a bit of a joke tho, he’s probably Noem, Bondi tier

This killing will galvanize public opinion in ways other killings didn’t because the victim is a white man who was a US citizen. So we are seeing even Republicans expressing unease about it.

So ANTIFA which stands for anti fascist are in fact the real fascists , am I reading that correctly? Serious question.

Well ironically yes many are. As soon as you start telling people that they aren’t allowed to hold certain views and there is only one acceptable view, you are by definition, a fascist surely?

So there are elements of fascism in both far left and far right ideologies:

Authoritarianism:Absolute, centralized control by a dictator or a single party.
This is present in both the left (eg Venezuela or North Korea) and the right (historically Italy and Chile)

Ultranationalism: Intense devotion to the nation, often involving myths of rebirth following a perceived decline.
Again present in both left and right (China, Cuba, Nazi Germany etc)

Suppression of Opposition: Forcible elimination of political dissent, pluralism, and democratic processes.
Again present in left and right wing politics.

Militarism: Glorification of violence, war, and the military to achieve national goals.
Tends to be associated more with the right wing.

Economic Regimentation:State control over private property and industry, often forcing them to serve the national interest.
Associated more with the left wing.

Anti-Ideologies: Strong opposition and intolerance to opposing views.
Again can be both right wing and left wing.

In summary it is entirely possible for both right wing and left wing extremists to exhibit fascist behaviour. And it's worth noting that both Mussolini and Hitler started out as socialists that then incorporated militarism to morph into fascism.

Effective in what? Moving the US toward a fascist state? Alienating the US from the rest of the world?

Groups of masked men (and some women) identifying as 'antifa' have certainly harassed feminists standing up for their rights in the UK. They are men's rights activists cosplaying as people with coherent political opinions.

These are the people who threatened and sometimes attacked Kathleen Stock at Sussex University and Julie Bindel and others at various meetings. They are basically people who would like to be football hooligans, but think that is for chavs.

It does not therefore follow that it is wrong to protest, or that the activities of ICE do not need to be observed or that unlawful government activities should not be resisted. If nothing else, the events of the past few weeks demonstrate exactly why it is necessary for the public to witness ICE activities.

The question of whether an unarmed man should be executed in the street should not be tribal.

Explain. There is a law enacted by democratically elected officials that prevents people being in the country illegally. The government is enforcing it.

The ‘it’ they were ‘enforcing’ was not illegal immigration. ‘It’ was a bystander male nurse filming events with a telephone and then helping a vulnerable woman who was attacked by the ICE agents;

and the so-called ‘enforcement’ method chosen by ICE was gang-lynching and gang murder by multiple gun shots to the already incapacitated, and previously non-threatening, man.

It was illegal. It was murder. Democracy requires the rule of law to apply to all people.

It also requires rulers and their representatives such as Noem, to not lie to the public.

Maybe because ICE have now got massive arrest quotas to fill and any arrest will count for the figures - doesn't matter if it's not an "illegal" or not. So instead of conducting proper intelligence-led raids they now just violently harass anyone who looks or sounds foreign.