If anyone is observing the carnage in Minneapolis.....

[MistressoftheDarkSide]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2026/jan/24/minneapolis-shooting-live

Guardian is running a live feed, and a good unbiased source is Agenda Free TV on YouTube also running live feeds from the streets there.

Obviously multiple versions of events being thrown about as it's very fresh.

Sending solidarity across the pond to any US Mumsnetters in the locale and protesting the awful actions of ICE and disregard of your constitution by the "President".

Language evolves dontcha know? Or so we're told regularly in the various debates around all sorts of language.

I've decided that carnage can be used metaphorically, as well as literally.

Go police someone else's thread.

this. I’ve watched the videos and it’s very difficult to see exactly what happened.

i did read a comment from some sort of ex military who said LE only need a “reasonable belief” someone has a gun, so when the officer shouted GUN then the shoot was justified. Which may mean ICE can’t be accused of murder, but then what’s to stop any officer shouting GUN in order to create a situation where shooting is justified- much like putting yourself in front of a vehicle.

the main issue I have is there is no investigation. In the UK all involved officers would immediately be isolated while the IOPC holds an investigation to be establish the circumstances.

however in this and Renee Good’s case, LE hasn’t been allowed to investigate, witnesses and evidence have been taken, offices leave the scene, that’s even if anyone knows who they are, under their masks and kit. making it impossible for the true circumstances to be established.

so the public are left drawing their own conclusions from their own bias. While Trump and his cronies make statements of the deceased guilt, meaning a fair trial is impossible.

what I would expect to see from politicians is “we will hold a full independent investigation and will release the findings when available”. Not ranting about terrorists and intentions to kill ICE agents.

To be fair to some of them, certain red states make it very difficult for people in blue counties to vote.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_United_States

Though I've absolutely no sympathy for the people who chose to abstain because of Gaza. Harris wasn't perfect, but failing to elect her hasn't exactly been an improvement.

The regime haven't got the numbers to target all of the blue states (or more specifically the major cities that those states revolve around) at once. So they've hit them one or two at a time. Los Angeles. Portland & Chicago. And now the Twin Cities and Maine

And yet most ICE arrests are in Texas and Florida, because local law enforcement support ICE.

The Minnesota Governor was Kamala Harris's running mate in the 2024 Presidential Election so it's personal for the regime

Well Walz’s career is over. Fraud is too much.

During covid some dodgy nonprofits were allocated funds for providing meals to vulnerable children. It was a fraud, it got investigated, they got prosecuted. There was no evidence to suggest that Minnesota officials were in any way corrupt

AG Keith Ellison received money from Feeding our Future as a campaign donation. Just prior he had a meeting with some reps where they asked him to get state agencies off their backs, that they were being racist for trying to investigate their finances.

kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/ellison-pushes-back-after-secret-audio-tapes-posted-online/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Lots of countries had these sort of issues during the pandemic, funds were sent out without proper checks being made, think PPE in the UK

250 million stolen just in one state, just in one scam.

The ringleader of the scam was a white woman, but many of those also convicted were Somali-American

Bock was the only white person, and her Somali boyfriend was a huge part of the scam, funny how you call out the one white person verses the 80 Somalis involved.

And yes, most Somalis are legal. They are still disproportionately involved in these scams.

A far-right Youtuber posted a video on Boxing Day last year alleging widespread fraud in Minnesota daycare centres. There was no evidence to suggest that many of his claims were true

You really expect us to believe the ‘Quality Learing Center’ was legit? Really?

It is not just the daycares, but the autism centers and the home health centers. Fake invoices, fake clients, and a climate where investigations into it was seen as ‘racist’

Here is a very neutral take on it from NYT https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/29/us/fraud-minnesota-somali.html

What we need is faster hearing of asylum cases and quicker legal paths for deportation.

brexit fucked that over by removing the Dublin agreement which meant we could send asylum seekers back to the last country they were in. You can thank Farage and his cronies for that, they’re the reason we have asylum seekers housed in hotels.

what we don’t need is ICE roaming the street with the ability to detain anyone brown, a bit foreign, an accent, or they just don’t like the look of. Especially with guns and the freedom to use them if they say you’re in their way.

do you carry ID around? Birth certificate, passport, proof of citizenship? As that is what is expected in the US now. And even then they can claim “fake” and detain you anyway.

we absolutely do not need ICE or anything of the sort.

Importantly it also targetted political dissidents. Many of the earliest concentration camp detainees were communists and social democrats.

I've been a socialist for nearly 50yrs. I think Trump is a danger to the entire planet. He's a rapist. A con man. He should be in prison. He most definitely should not have the power to disrupt the whole world with his lunacy. I think Farage is a puppet of Putin. He should be in prison for crimes against the state for his role in Brexit.

So you can quite frankly feck right off with your inference.

The only 'agenda' I had was to call out language that made me click on a link to the Guardian expecting mass fatalities. Which thankfully there were not, despite the 'histrionic' inference by the OP. There was one poor unfortunate soul. Which was bad enough.

The fact that @silverwrath appears to be taking more issue with your language rather than masked police shooting dead an innocent man in the middle of the street for exercising his democratic rights/trying to help two women out who had been pepper sprayed for exercising their democratic rights tells you everything you need to know about the lengths people will go to justify this.

We should not be complacent. Freedom is not a birthright, we have to be prepared to fight for it.

Elon Musk worked illegally in the US. They should deport him back to Pretoria.

That is not why ICEstapo is in Minnesota it's just a way to try and justify and deflect from the real reason they're there.
The estimate for fraud relating to pandemic relief funds is around 200 billion. The article you provided attributes 1 billion or so to the 59 convicted so far. So no, not 'literally billions' according to the information YOU provided. 🙄Prosecutions with began in 2022 btw and continue today. You keep saying "it's bad" Sure. Probably why it has been heavily investigated resulting in a large number of prosecutions. Now, tell us about the other 199 billion. Or are you just fixated on 'Somalians'?
With a Minnesota Somali population of around 80,000, and a "vast majority of the 59 convicted so far being American citizens", not illegal immigrants" clearly anyone accepting the 'official' narrative the regime is putting out is sorely lacking in critical thinking skills.🤷‍♀️

Hey @MistressoftheDarkSide today must be a hard day for you but I hope you also have some time for happy memories of the love of your live 💐

Thank you x that's incredibly kind xxx

No, he was clearing the weapon, you remove the magazine, cock the weapon, inspect the chamber and then dry fire the weapon. The guy in the grey coat was doing that whilst walking away. Another border patrol officer was the one that opened fire.

A point to note, it is usual if you have justification to open fire (he didn't), you would almost always "double tap" when opening fire. You fire two shots and assess. Even if there was justification, the firer shot ten rounds. In a fair system it would be very hard to justify the last 8 rounds. I'm guessing the officer panicked and blazes away like billy oh. In that case he should be sacked for being incapable. In this case it was murder.

If I was the shooters colleagues, I would not be very happy with him. He fired ten rounds at close quarters when the target was surrounded by his colleagues. I'd be slapping him round the head

Absolutely! Posters are permitted parrot the most awful right-wing MAGA conspiracy theories to justify the murders of Renée Good and Alex Pretti by ICE with a side order of low level racism when they refer to 'illegals' with complete impunity but if a poster tells them that they are fucking liars, they are immediately deleted.

There used to be a buffer zone for ICE agents. They weren't allowed to terrorise people in schools, hospitals or places of worship.

Was that after you shot him at nearly point blank range in the head?

It's been like this thread after thread, it's a rhetoric.

It’s just the law
They’re criminals
They're illegals
No one forced them
FAFO

Aiming to sound so sensible, rational, logical, reasonable, calm and measured.

It is classic DARVO.

From what I saw though he didn’t do any of that before firing.

he removed the gun from Alex, has it pointed down by his side as he walks off and the gun fires. Unless he’s inspecting chambers, removing magazines and whatnot in the middle of that melee which not only seems unlikely but bloody dangerous.

i know fuck all about guns but surely you take it somewhere away from a load of people fighting first? Then do your safety checks?

like I said, I know nothing about guns but saw a comment which said that type of gun it would be an intentional firing? As it didn’t go off by accident. If so, again it begs the question if he fired it to make it safe why do it so close to this incident, when it’s likely to trigger return fire from a bunch of armed ice.

There should be a curfew implemented in Minneapolis to keep the population off the streets when ICE are performing the role that they’ve been employed to do. This will stop unnecessary confrontations and interference. The Mayor has lost control, and needs to be replaced by someone competent who ensures the safety of everyone on the streets. The whole place has sunk into anarchy. Just stay at home fgs. Don’t drive through areas which are highly charged, to photo, confront and abuse people employed in a legal capacity to carry out their job.

@Passaggressfedup The adrenalin rush spoke for me and I called him a F W.

How long have you been on Mumsnet? You surely know it's perfectly ok to swear here?

Just awful. In such a volatile situation though even if I had a permit I certainly wouldn't attend a 'peaceful' protest with a loaded weapon and once reprimanded I'd stay still with my hands on my head. That's what Walz and co need to be telling the locals.

Yes it is of course horrific but stay still, follow instructions and then everyone's intentions will be clear.

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ICE should honestly just have a curfew. Send them to paintball or laser tag.