If anyone is observing the carnage in Minneapolis.....

[MistressoftheDarkSide]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2026/jan/24/minneapolis-shooting-live

Guardian is running a live feed, and a good unbiased source is Agenda Free TV on YouTube also running live feeds from the streets there.

Obviously multiple versions of events being thrown about as it's very fresh.

Sending solidarity across the pond to any US Mumsnetters in the locale and protesting the awful actions of ICE and disregard of your constitution by the "President".

Normally the Feds would work with local officers to combine the specialist experience with local knowledge.

But the administration have specifically blocked an investigation into the murder of Renee Good. They've even tried to twist it and use it against her. Several federal officers and prosecuters have resigned because they do not want to be a part in that.

It still does not make it right for ICE to lift children without their parents, shoot unarmed women in cars, pepper spray peaceful (ie unarmed) protestors and shoot unarmed men who are already in the prone position.

And don't even try to justify that behaviour. It's unjustifiable and well you know it.

Shame on you for supporting ICE @Zebedee999 ☹️👎🏻

it has a dancing on graves with $ notes vibes, hasn't it

Russian interference. Cambridge Analytica etc

Since when do you investigate alleged fraud by putting thousands of immigration officers on the streets to beat up and/or murder anyone who looks a bit brown (and any white person who witnesses it)?

And they tried to make local officers leave the scene yesterday.

A (Trump-appointed) judge has had to issue a temporary restraining order to keep the feds from altering or destroying evidence, which is shocking in and of itself.

https://bsky.app/profile/kyledcheney.bsky.social/post/3md7thtgssg24

Most people don't think it's 'good' to have 'illegals', but that doesn't mean it's OK to execute innocent people who have the right to protest. Minnesota is an open carry state. His firearm was legal and he was legally carrying it and kegally allowed to protest. Land of the free, right? The right wing loons in charge there are always banging on about their God given right to bear arms, or do they mean just them? Not people they disagree with? Tony Benn was spot on when he said, " How the government treats refugees is very instructive, because it shows how they'd treat the rest of us if they thought they could get away with it". Americans are just finding this out now. It could be you one day for something or nothing, you think now it wouldn't be you because on the side of 'right', but make no mistake, they come for boot lickers in the end as well.

Don't be silly. Telling a poster who is specifically here to derail and obscure the death of Alex Pretti that if that is their game they can fuck off is offensive language, which is permitted under the moderation guidelines. It was language chosen deliberately to contrast with their faux civility, which you are now leaning in to support. And again, the thread gets derailed.

You're derailing it yourself by claiming MN have some sort of sinister agenda to try and hide what's happening in the US, when really your post was cut-and-dried against the guidelines.

Doesn't matter how valid the rest of your post is, if you tell another poster to fuck off (no matter how you try to dress it up), it's going to get zapped.

It's very easy to avoid getting deleted.

Absolutely this - see also the Brexit referendum. The same targeted and professional online influencing that was going on in 2016 is happening now in the UK.

"And again, the thread gets derailed."

By you using it to rail against mumsnets moderation policy as opposed to say starting a separate thread about it...

It's very easy to avoid getting deleted.
Maybe that's the difference between normal posters who are genuinely outraged by what we are witnessing and those with a brief 👀

It is indeed very easy to avoid getting deleted, and therein lies the problem with the MN moderation policy.

Posters are able to shamelessly post disinformation with absolute impunity, just as long as they don't tell someone to fuck off in the process.

Excellent post

"Posters are able to shamelessly post disinformation with absolute impunity, just as long as they don't tell someone to fuck off in the process."

Mumsnet are in no position to fact check discussions in real time so this is not surprising:

Also Depends on what you consider disinformation.

Examples on this thread include

Alex didn't have a gun at all - he did but had a concealed permit.
Alex threatened ice with it - no evidence of this.
Posters have a "brief" from Russia? to post disinformation on this incident from Mumsnet😂
He got targeted for filming on his phone - does this count as disinformation? to me it seemed he intervened when a female protester was pushed over then got targeted because of it.

A lot of the time people interpret videos in different ways and id people disagree this is " disinformation'.

The regime haven't got the numbers to target all of the blue states (or more specifically the major cities that those states revolve around) at once. So they've hit them one or two at a time. Los Angeles. Portland & Chicago. And now the Twin Cities and Maine.

The Minnesota Governor was Kamala Harris's running mate in the 2024 Presidential Election so it's personal for the regime.

During covid some dodgy nonprofits were allocated funds for providing meals to vulnerable children. It was a fraud, it got investigated, they got prosecuted. There was no evidence to suggest that Minnesota officials were in any way corrupt. Lots of countries had these sort of issues during the pandemic, funds were sent out without proper checks being made, think PPE in the UK.

The ringleader of the scam was a white woman, but many of those also convicted were Somali-American (note, if they are "Somali-American" then they are US citizens who were either born or naturalised into the US, not "illegal aliens").

After two National Guardsmen were shot in Washington DC last year, Trump used it as an excuse to not only target Afghanis but also Somalis. A far-right Youtuber posted a video on Boxing Day last year alleging widespread fraud in Minnesota daycare centres. There was no evidence to suggest that many of his claims were true.

This riles up the MAGA base into a hate campaign against the state and its Governor - who withdrew his candidacy for reelection because his family was being targetted.

And now the Federal Government has flooded the streets with thousands and thousands of thugs, giving them carte blanche to attack the population.

Are Americans not allowed to own guns?

what about the people who stormed the Capitol - do you support them?

If a man owns a gun legally and is carrying it legally and the gun is taken off him before he is shot multiple times - is that okay?

Just because you support MAGA and ICE doesn’t mean you have to support every single thing that every ICE agent does.

Misrepresentation of the facts isn't helping anyone. 'Carnage' is a word used for large scale deaths. Which is what I assumed when I read the header to OP's original comment.

'This is literally worse than a crazy incel doing a mass shooting'

It's 'literally' NOT worse.

It happened to one man. And you diminish what actually happened to him as an individual by suggesting otherwise.

It's appalling. It's shameful. And I sincerely hope his poor family get justice.

But histrionics and embellishment are completely inappropriate.

Your use of the word histrionics belies your agenda.

I've been saying for YEARS including on here that the culture we need to fear importing is American culture.

Nigel Farage might be whipping up fear of Muslims but American culture is far more pernicious. They might look like us, but they simply are not like us. They are far more individualistic, far more money driven. Their treatment of women and people of colour is horrific. Their corporations practically own their workers, they have so few rights. Their society doesn't have the checks and balances or the safety net that ours has developed.

Our benefits system and our NHS may not be perfect, but they are a reflection of the spirit of many people in the UK, the spirit that we are all in this together. Not, let the poor die if they are sick, it's probably their own fault anyway.

The USA is an absolute shitshow, and the people that are making it that way want the UK next.

Then you need to revise your definition of carnage.

Your header lead me to believe there had been an incident in Minneapolis where there had been many deaths. There wasn't. You diminish the horror of what happened to one man by inferring mass fatalities.

Facts matter. Especially now.

I've been saying for YEARS including on here that the culture we need to fear importing is American culture.
Nigel Farage might be whipping up fear of Muslims but American culture is far more pernicious. They might look like us, but they simply are not like us. They are far more individualistic, far more money driven. Their treatment of women and people of colour is horrific. Their corporations practically own their workers, they have so few rights. Their society doesn't have the checks and balances or the safety net that ours has developed.

So true @Petrolitis

There are wonderful things about the US and the culture, but unfortunately we don’t seem to import any of those things. We only adopt the bad stuff.

During covid some dodgy nonprofits were allocated funds for providing meals to vulnerable children. It was a fraud, it got investigated, they got prosecuted. There was no evidence to suggest that Minnesota officials were in any way corrupt. Lots of countries had these sort of issues during the pandemic, funds were sent out without proper checks being made, think PPE in the UK.

Yes, many people in the UK felt disgusted and betrayed by the Captain Tom scam but I don't remember any violence breaking out.

Accusing posters of being hysterical is generally seen as poor form on Mumsnet. It's sexist.

And why not "carnage"??

ICE actions have led to death, chaos, fear and massive harm. Why are people so snowflakey about forceful language when it’s directed at a group that carries out forceful and violent actions? Hypocritical and perhaps disingenuous.