If anyone is observing the carnage in Minneapolis.....

[MistressoftheDarkSide]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2026/jan/24/minneapolis-shooting-live

Guardian is running a live feed, and a good unbiased source is Agenda Free TV on YouTube also running live feeds from the streets there.

Obviously multiple versions of events being thrown about as it's very fresh.

Sending solidarity across the pond to any US Mumsnetters in the locale and protesting the awful actions of ICE and disregard of your constitution by the "President".

If you believe that he was acting in self defence, which I personally don’t from looking at the footage, then it just illustrates a lack of training as professional law enforcers pointed out that they don’t fire into moving vehicles for obvious reasons.

"Once again **is deleting posts that do nothing other than call out minimisation of what is happening in America."

Mumsnet have very clear guidelines on what posts are removed. "Calling out minimisation" Is not one of them. .

You would be better advised reading the posting guidelines than calling out Mumsnet for enforcing their published rules.

Indeed. Facts are not extreme. They're just facts.

Mumsnet love these threads, they generate traffic, controversy sells

I agree with you but I am deeply worried about the amount of support that Reform are going to be getting in the next months and years if the madness in the US isn't contained (financially and otherwise- and before anyone trots out the party donation rules, there are so many ways to support a political agenda from abroad without directly donating to a party). The level of online manipulation and disinformation will literally hit the roof, in part also supported by an army of fucking stupid little male trolls who disseminate memes like the Amelia shite.

Trump is vile, but you don’t do the opposition to him any good by referring to him as the "President" in quotes. He is the President and was voted in as such. Incomprehensible, I know, but a fact.

Of course, and we are all here typing away, working for mn for free, generating content which attracts people to whom advertising can be sold.
And no I am not trying to imply that anything I or anyone else types has any particular literary merit! For the most part it is blather and gossip, but this raw material from which profit is derived is provided for free by us.

Out of interest - why do you think Biden made such a hash of immigration?

He deported more people in his term than Trump did in his first.

Although there was less performative cruelty I’ll grant you which may be the point of voting for Trump.

Edited to add - doesn’t make sense to vote out the guy who was deporting more people than the person you voted in if immigration was your priority.

Particularly when the person you voted in was clearly going to gut women’s healthcare rights that you are apparently so in favour of.

I also find particularly perfidious that DHS are using the data provided in good faith by asylum seekers in the now defunct app launched under Biden. The fact that they are now hunting people on a ready and fairly comprehensive database- people who were willing to abide by the rules or they wouldn't have registered with the app!- is beyond revolting and unethical.

Anyone followed the 'another ICE murder' thread this morning will have seen it systematically, deliberately derailed and silenced by a poster without any action or consequence. I haven't been part of that exchange or posted on the thread at all today. I have still been able to see, and to be disappointed and rather disgusted by what happened to it.

I am sure that other posters are right, and Mumsnet loves the conflict. If that's the game, I'm not playing. Anyone decent with eyes to see will can judge just how awful these events are in America. I come to Mumsnet for the brilliant SEN community and calibre of regular posters, but if those threads are providing cover for encouraging this kind of monetised special pleading, I can see I will have to rethink.

My late uncle came over to the UK on the Kinder Transport in 1938. He wrote a book about what happened to him and his family after Hitler came to power. It didn't start with the concentration camps. It started with low level harassment from their neighbours and their teachers and eventually he wasn't allowed to go to school. Previously kind neighbours called them names and stopped their children playing with him because he was Jewish.

Your remark is flippant and uninformed.

I fingers Renee's case grey. What I very read is that she was shot three times, in the right breast, left arm and left temple. This would indicate a clear trajectory with the first shot being her right chest. This would indicate that the ice agent was indeed right in front of her then.

Look at the hole in the windscreen. It's in the corner. If it enters the car from the corner (on her left hand side) and hits her right breast then there's no way that he was directly in front of her.

Then he took two more shots through the side window, one of which was the fatal one - that fact is important in law. There's no way that he was in the slightest bit of danger if the fatal shot was fired when he was stood to the side.

Several lawyers with experience in defending officers who have shot civilians have said that they might be able to defend the first shot, but that the subsequent two are undeniably murder.

It's ramping up, but there's nothing new about shooting peaceful protestors in the US.

Kent State University, 1970.

I reported the poster who was consistently derailing it, 3 times and I know I wasn't the only one. Mn once again failing to act. Apologies for replying- I'm not trying to derail.

True - and the majority of those polled back then thought the students had it coming (even the bystanders who got caught in the crossfire walking to class). The administration at the time exaggerated the student's behaviour to sway public opinion, Nixon insulted them (calling them bums).

Although at least a President's commission that was set up found the shootings to be completely unjustified. Can't see Trump requesting any sort of investigation that isn't rigged.

Compare Trump and his minions' responses to this innocent guy who was legally carrying a registered hand gun to their full throated support of Kyle Rittenhouse who took a rifle to an anti-racism rally and murdered two people.

I'm reading and nodding and agreeing with the posts critical of this outrageous and criminal regime.

Wonder if someone could point me to the statement of the NRA. Did they comment on this atrocity?

It's almost like the performative cruelty is the point.

@ooscali posted it earlier this morning on this thread.

Woman brings her car to a protest then decides to drive it at a protester... she FAFO.

Man brings a gun to a protest, gets shot .... he also FAFO.

Good luck to ICE, in the UK we also need illegals who carry out disproportionate levels of crime and rapes etc to be deported. Sadly our Border Force ship them IN. This government and previous ones do not care about (predominantly women's) safety.

Only last week another girl was raped by a refused asylum seeker that the government hadn't thrown out. Get ICE over here now to get these criminals and illegals out before more women suffer.

Why most of MN think it's good to have illegals here is beyond me.

No, thank you. It has been moving to see how many posters have tried to restore the threads to their purpose and I'm sure many more watching and seeing exactly what is happening. I reported tens of posts overnight - none of which have been removed.

What Mumsnet moderators are doing is not protecting debate but letting the most important threads we have had here in years die and get buried by bad actors. And then the next thing will be 'there is already a thread about this.'

The 2 people murdered by ICE were US citizens! The right in the US bang on repeatedly about the right to bare arms, that's what this US citizen was doing, legally! What part of beating the shit out of him whilst he's on the ground and then pumping 3 bullets into him when he's already subdued and unconscious do you think is reasonable?

Sorry but you were literally telling other posters to fuck off. That's a personal attack which is against the moderation policy.

Executed for defending another woman from being pepper sprayed because she was blowing a whistle. He sounds like such a lovely man too, an intensive care nurse in a hospital fir veterans, my heart hurts for his family. When will the US just get rid of Trump and his goons? We managed to get rid of Liz Truss for tanking the economy, if the police had been shooting protestors on her watch and she'd been gping around insulting other countries willy-nilly, I think police stations would have been burned down and she'd have found herself chased out of No.10 by an angry mob.