If anyone is observing the carnage in Minneapolis.....

[MistressoftheDarkSide]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2026/jan/24/minneapolis-shooting-live

Guardian is running a live feed, and a good unbiased source is Agenda Free TV on YouTube also running live feeds from the streets there.

Obviously multiple versions of events being thrown about as it's very fresh.

Sending solidarity across the pond to any US Mumsnetters in the locale and protesting the awful actions of ICE and disregard of your constitution by the "President".

The car was barely moving at that point, and the driver was turning the wheels away from him. Of course it would have worked.

This is a disgusting lie!

From the video and witness accounts Alex was attempting to help the woman who ICE were deliberately pepper spraying her directly in the face and who ICE had pushed to the ground.

You got his name wrong too. His name was Alex Pretti.

I defy you or anyone to read the statement from his parents and not be heartbroken for them. They are right, he was a hero because his last acts were to stand up for his community and country as a whole, and to protect a woman that ICE were abusing.

Here is the witness statement from the lady in the pink jacket

The poor woman says she is afraid to go home because ICE are looking for her.

Alex Pretti and Renée Good were law abiding Americans who were murdered.

I’m amazed that the lady in the pink jacket didn’t get arrested by ICE. She was blatantly filming everything and after the murder, she stood there a while screaming. I feared for her life, honestly.

You’ve misunderstood me, I was agreeing with you and then pointing out the irony of the Republicans being the ones using it is an excuse for shooting him.

Obstructing another agent still doesn't justify killing someone. Especially when 6 of you already have him pinned to the ground.

That’s the perfect cop out for anyone who refuses to accept reality. Trump does it all the time with his “fake news” mantra, it’s really quite depressing.

There is a witness statement that directly contradicts 2021x version of events.

I wonder why 2021x felt the need to invent the lie. Or whether the lie started elsewhere.

You have to read this. Firsthand affidavit from one of the women who was there and recording the video. She talks about how Alex Pretti was directing traffic when she arrived. She watched him be killed in front of her. She's afraid to go home, worried she'll be arrested.
https://bsky.app/profile/reichlinmelnick.bsky.social/post/3md7kk7pqxk26

I feel exactly like this so thank you for expressing it so eloquently. The descent is horrifying.
On top of this I am really fearful that Reform will win the next election and the UK will go the same way..
The number of people who had been swayed by their rhetoric scares me.

" Wouldn't the instinctive reaction be to grab his arms and restrain him? "

I don't know. Unless you've had to subdue an armed suspect I don't think you know what your instincts would be. Plus people have different instincts, based on training experiences, past traumas etc.

People said the same about the Chri kaba shooting in the UK. Police should have shot him in the arm /shot tyres etc rather than shot dead. . That officer was probably better trained than the average ice agent.

That report cites all its sources. Is there any one of them that you can show is incorrect?

Oh give over. We all have the internet and we all know what DARVO, sealioning and bad argument looks like. You aren't impressing, or persuading anyone today.

The problem is that the US justice system is not being allowed to investigate this properly. Otherwise why not fully involve the Minneapolis police?

this is why I cannot judge any American for not “doing more”.
it’s so easy to say they should be protesting, they should be on the streets against it.

when people are getting shot for exactly that, when people risk their jobs, therefore their healthcare and their homes. To stand up.

its easy to say it from the comforts of our sofas here in the U.K., where we can attend a protest where the police keep us safe and no one’s got guns.

I believe she’s one of the witnesses who have already filed a statement. If so, you’re not the only one in fear for her life -

“I feel afraid. Only hours have passed since they shot a man right in front me and I don't feel like I can go home because I heard agents were looking for me. I don't know what the agents will do when they find me. I do know that they're not telling the truth about what happened. I've heard that other witnesses might have been arrested and taken to the Whipple Building.”

No doubt somebody will be along in a minute to tell us that it was her own fault for being there in the first place 🤷‍♀️

So do you think the US Administration might be at fault for putting poorly trained thugs on the streets with guns? And do you think the "other way" you talk about might be taking them off the streets?

When you begin to piss off the NRA then you should know your time is nearly up.

This was murder, plain and simple.

"Otherwise why not fully involve the Minneapolis police?"

I'm not familiar with all of us law but if considered a federal crime don't the FBI take precedence?

Plus of course trump would say that the justice system in the us has been politically weaponised against him and he seems to have done the same against democrats hence Joe biden pardoning his son so the checks and balances have broken down somewhat

What is going on in minnesota is intentional disruption to try to distract people from the democrats' billions of dollar fraud, funneled through the somalian daycare centres. I hope there were posts on here about that.. though I can't say I saw any. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Been reading MAGA defences of the murders on Twitter.

The argument boils down to - if you take part in a protest against armed government forces and they kill you, it's your own fault.

Freedom of speech, right to protest, right to bear arms all suddenly forgotten. MAGA stands in favour of dictatorship.

By going to the help of a woman who had been knocked over Alex Pretti was constituting himself a shooting target?

That is absolutely fucked-up logic. Maybe just don't put poorly trained angry young men in a position of authority with guns?

He was not holding a gun.

Of course fraud should be dealt with, but not by indiscriminate raids and deportations, based on people's perceived ethnicity.

Oh, hi there @ringojuice. I was beginning to wonder where you'd gone.

"So back to the cinema case. Is it ok to shoot and kill an innocent person just because they totally wrongly but still believed that their life was at risk."

Well I'm not the one who posted that case, and don't know the particulars or what state it was in, but according to the person who posted it was found to be justified by the us justice system.

I guess the jury had to decide was his mistaken belief reasonable? And they decided it was.

I call state sponsored murder and the systematic self serving by an orange loon dismantling of a democratic nation and the trashing of its reputation on the world stage the very definition of carnage actually.

Good that we have the luxury of personal opinion and the right to verbalise it as we see fit at the moment though, isn't it?