If anyone is observing the carnage in Minneapolis.....

[MistressoftheDarkSide]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2026/jan/24/minneapolis-shooting-live

Guardian is running a live feed, and a good unbiased source is Agenda Free TV on YouTube also running live feeds from the streets there.

Obviously multiple versions of events being thrown about as it's very fresh.

Sending solidarity across the pond to any US Mumsnetters in the locale and protesting the awful actions of ICE and disregard of your constitution by the "President".

What do NBC think about the trans issue in sports? Are you able to bat this one off too?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/renee-good-was-shot-head-autopsy-commissioned-family-finds-rcna255335

It’s been going a lot longer than that. When I look back on visits to the US more than twenty years ago I can see the signs then, in the way some people were obsessed with crimes of the Clintons, the same way the other side are now obsessed by the crimes of Trump.

That’s why I don’t blame social media entirely. No doubt the internet is the main fuel, but at some points the cycle huge polarisations just happen. It’d be much better if we all stayed out of it where we can.

Yes I am being critical because as established he underestimated the situation...as I had as well. This does not mean I blame him, or think he deserved to be shot. But the people he went up against are poorly trained and I would also assume under huge pressure themselves.

We have to think of another way, the only way to do that is to be critical of events so we get the facts.

Excellent point. I wonder if it was all just a bit innevitable.

These threads are a ridiculous and actually disgusting mixture of whataboutery and 'I think, I thought...'

What you think when you're locked in your bathroom playing CSI Miami to own the libs is completely fucking irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that by the grace of God and the work that has gone before us, almost every on these boards is lucky enough to live in a country where it is unlawful to gun you down in the streets, and that where the rule of law dies there is an actual investigation.

What is actually happening is that the FBI are going to the ends of the earth to stop investigation of civilians being murdered in the streets. Why? What do these people have to fear from the truth?

Quite. The justice department is not going to investigate the Renee Good case. Surely they would if they thought the findings would be to their liking?

After all - the Trump administration is fond of weaponising the DOJ - how strange this case is of no interest to them if they could clearly show a protester trying to murder an ICE agent.

Renee Good was told to move on by one officer and then told to stop almost immediately by another. This is a known tactic used by ICE. No matter what she did she was going to defying orders. She lived in the area, she was heading home and found ICE harassing her neighbours.

The fact he called her a fucking bitch after just shooting her dead should tell you all you need to know about how he felt. It was not a defensive shooting.

There’s a video how clearly showing that he was disarmed by an officer (having previously been pepper sprayed apparently) had both arms on the ground - and then was executed. I hope the family sue the shit our of the White House and the murderers (including the ones who abetted) see a lot of jail time.

My point is I can't trust any of them at the moment- everyone has been a bit extreme and no one is reporting the facts.

Anyway.. off to bed. Thanks for the chat it has really helped :)

So nothing else they say could possibly be true? I'm not even going to discuss the truth or otherwise of your statement.

.. the “third way” is what the Authoritarian regime wants, which is to make people too afraid to protest, so they stay home. That’s why they defend the shooting of people in the street.

Yes they are, you are just choosing to not believe the facts.

I honesty just saw the guy filming her around the car, when she clearly wasn;t moving, and then the guy pull up and tell her to get out.

If she was heading home why was her partner not in the car, then told her to drive?

People call people names, especially if they think they are trying to kill them. Have you never shouted anything when someone cuts you off?

We have to think like them to understand what they are going to do.

My interpretation from both instances at this time is very different.

I fingers Renee's case grey. What I very read is that she was shot three times, in the right breast, left arm and left temple. This would indicate a clear trajectory with the first shot being her right chest. This would indicate that the ice agent was indeed right in front of her then. Add half a second from the car moving to the time he discharged and yes, I can believe that he truly thought she was going to run him over. I also read that he HAD been run over and left with serious injuries from a previous incident, which would understandably triggered an instance ptsd response. Whether he was right or not to act as he did, I can maybe understand it from his perspective.

The Pretti case....maybe more will come out but right now, I cannot see any justification that could have led 6 officers to act as they did. The closest to it would be that when one officer disarmed him, he accidentally fired prompting the others thinking it was pretti shooting....nah, that doesn't make any sense. They surely would have all seen that the gun was in one of the officers hand, not Pretti.

Hmmmmm... maybe just not be shooting targets for poorly trained (and possibly traumatised) angry young men.

The fact he called her a fucking bitch after just shooting her dead should tell you all you need to know about how he felt
Just on this comment, I disagree. I have called strangers nasty name when driving and someone dies something that put my life on danger through negligence. The last time when someone pulled out a road when I was coming and came inches from smaching my right side. The adrenalin rush spoke for me and I called him a F W.

Keep blaming the victims.

Did the Scholl siblings have it coming too?

Which is illegal in the UK.

But Alex Pretti was breaking no laws. If ICE go around executing everyone for bearing legal arms, there is going to be a large pile of bodies.

Are you a trained law enforcement officer @Passaggressfedup with many years of experience including, one would hope, training on emotion management?

The posters that post a wall of text with outrightly misleading (and horrific when we’re talking about murder victims) information, then follow up with a faux naive response to replies calling them out, then ask for more information then blow that off with a blithe irrelevancy are following a pattern.

There’s multiple of them across these threads and they seem to follow the same pattern / script. They’re helpful, if repugnant, as it shows how awful Trump supporters are at the same time as refuting their misrepresentations. I think they probably think they’re wasting our time, without realising they’re useful idiots.

So haven’t seen this image/video but to the point - clearance vs firing for effect it should be easy to establish.

you can only clear a weapon by firing off the action after you unload it (remove clip of bullets) as otherwise it will obviously do what it’s designed to do and chamber the next round.

it should be very clear as to whether this was done. If not, there is no way this is making the weapon safe.

"The closest to it would be that when one officer disarmed him, he accidentally fired prompting the others thinking it was pretti shooting....nah, that doesn't make any sense. They surely would have all seen that the gun was in one of the officers hand, not Pretti."

I don't think most people would be that clear-headed in that scenario. They are all focussed on him on the ground, someone shouts "Gun" then a shot rings out, they start to step back , assume it came from the guy on the ground are unsighted because of all the other agents, and instinctively open fire.

I imagine in cases with actual armed assailants split second delays can be fatal...

Even if they did believe she was driving towards him, it was from a standing start and he had time to get out of the way. Even if that was not the case and she has been driving at greater speed, directives by the US Justice Department on the use of guns by law enforcement officers absolutely do not mandate shooting at the driver's head.

Might you hope that armed law-enforcement officers would have a little better self-control than that? It’s not really comparable to a driving annoyance.