If anyone is observing the carnage in Minneapolis.....

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2026/jan/24/minneapolis-shooting-live

Guardian is running a live feed, and a good unbiased source is Agenda Free TV on YouTube also running live feeds from the streets there.

Obviously multiple versions of events being thrown about as it's very fresh.

Sending solidarity across the pond to any US Mumsnetters in the locale and protesting the awful actions of ICE and disregard of your constitution by the "President".

I used "normal guy whipped up by the internet" as a way of describing why someone would be at a protest where there are law-enforcement officers who could use lethal force as oppose to thinking they were a domestic terroist.

Or maybe somebody who has eyes, can see the direction the US is moving in and wanted to use his rights to speak out against it. Protesting. is. not. illegal. Just because you disagree with what somebody is protesting for does not mean that different laws apply. I don't agree with the pro-life protests in the US but that doesn't mean I think those on them can be justifiably shot dead in the street.

Or is shooting protesters fair game and the risk they take if they go somewhere where officers could use lethal force? Where else would you like to take that argument? We have armed police at airports - are they justified in shooting me if I'm doing nothing illegal because I'm somewhere where law-enforcement officers are who could use lethal force?

Interesting can I ask your source on the shots.. it would be interesting if the Trump Admin released that information because that woudl make them look bad.

Yep.

Do you know why she was there though, because I still can't work it out?

Does it matter? The only reason that would justify her being shot would be that she was there with an intention to kill. No-one has suggested that that was the case.

if they extended the training by a day or 2 perhaps ICE would learn not to shoot innocent us citizens?

Yes, it used to be 16-21 weeks including basic Spanish language classes.

Yes, I think the argument was "criminals have murdered people so it's OK for Government to do it too, with impunity". This is on a par with the typical Maga standard of debate.

I can see where the US is heading, which is more reason to be critical of everything. Protesting may not be illegal but rioting is and if I was wanting to deliver a narrative that people peacefully protesting where violent thugs... then I would want to make it into a riot.

"None of which would’ve happened if they hadn’t pepper sprayed and tackled a man to the ground who just happened to be filming them."

Did they pepper spray him because he was filming them? Or was it because he tried to help that woman, and they saw that as obstructing another agent?

See what I mean about " evidence of eyes and ears"?

Of course the Trump administration didn’t release it. Not that they need any help looking bad.This information is very easily verified. But here you go, one source:

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/22/renee-good-autopsy-ice-minneapolis

Yep. We had this victim blaming when Jean Charles de Menezes was shot here. People can't cope with the idea that those in authority did something wrong. At least here it was investigated and nobody said it was fine because police can shoot whoever the fuck they want for no reason.

They pepper sprayed him because they’re violent thugs.

Interesting... So it would have been the same as law enforcement.

So the protestors are going up against- heavily armed, poorly trained and righteous people who almost certainly believe their country is being "stolen".

Watch again. He clearly didn't shoot her because he was fearing for his life.

Yeah you see... can't trust the Guardian.- they think its fine for men to be in womens sports.

You see my issue.

So agree.

I wonder if they voted for a fascist knowingly, or if they didn't realise he was a fascist?

This line of argument is pathetic but if you really want to do this.
Preventable tragedies... the list of school children killed by US citizens is much much longer.
Your turn.

Yes, and mostly all they’re doing is filming the agents. I’m sure there will be people who are trying to incite violence but I don’t believe it was either of the recent shooting victims.

"The only reason that would justify her being shot would be that she was there with an intention to kill."

Wrong. If The agent she clipped with her believed that his life or the lives of any of his colleagues was in danger us law allowed it.

Whether this was a reasonable belief is now for the US justice system to decide.

Or do they equate "facist thinking" as strength and protection like Hitler did.

Funny thing about Hitler.. he was one of the worlds richest people. War pays... huge incentive right there.

I certainly see your issue. It’s not the one you’re referring to though.

Yes, we see your issue - a complete refusal to accept any facts that go against your beliefs.

And yet you're on here being critical of Alex Pretti's actions, sprouting bollocks about him pushing women over (which you then backtrack on but you were confident enough to lie in the first place). Interesting.

He was so clearly not rioting. So, so clearly.

It's obvious that the Trump government/ICE is pushing and pushing things to justify the use of the insurrection act (and cancelling elections).

But what is interesting is you seem to think that if that happens the fault is with the civilians being executed by law enforcement on the street for responding to the needless, OTT aggression, rather than the bullies who started it.

Watch some other videos then because you're wrong.

Hmmmm... I think Renee Good was trying to piss them off and she knew the process. I don't think it should have got to the stage where she should have been shot, but I still think the officer thought he was going to be run over and acted "in accordance with his training".

I think peacefully protesting and filming is just going to end up with more dead protestors and more violence. There must be a secret third option.