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If anyone is observing the carnage in Minneapolis.....

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 24/01/2026 20:18

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2026/jan/24/minneapolis-shooting-live

Guardian is running a live feed, and a good unbiased source is Agenda Free TV on YouTube also running live feeds from the streets there.

Obviously multiple versions of events being thrown about as it's very fresh.

Sending solidarity across the pond to any US Mumsnetters in the locale and protesting the awful actions of ICE and disregard of your constitution by the "President".

Minneapolis shooting: Governor Tim Walz condemns ‘sickening’ fatal shooting of man believed to be 37-year-old US citizen – live

Minnesota governor decries ‘federal occupation’ after another deadly shooting less than three weeks after ICE officer killed Renee Good in the city

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2026/jan/24/minneapolis-shooting-live

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Zonder · 25/01/2026 08:23

2021x · 25/01/2026 08:17

I am reporting what I saw on the video taken by her partner. My concern is there are two opposing narratives in the media, neither of which reflect what I saw on the video.

How many seconds was she driving straight in your opinion? Not even one from what I saw. Have you ever tried one of those reaction speed tests? She had clearly turned the wheels by the time she was shot.

2021x · 25/01/2026 08:23

ExtraOnions · 25/01/2026 08:19

So what’s your take on last night, if your only source if information is your own eyes?

From the video I saw Alex Petty strike a woman to the ground- I have no idea who she is.

Then he is jumped on to what I assume are at least 3 ICE officers- then the footage is taken from much further away and is really grainy. I can't tell who is doing what, I can't even tell who is who as they are all dressed the same.

ietsfrans · 25/01/2026 08:24

BlueJuniper94 · 24/01/2026 21:41

I don't know what HTH means

hell to him? him being trump? It's the slogan of the anti trump movement.

hth

2021x · 25/01/2026 08:25

Zonder · 25/01/2026 08:23

How many seconds was she driving straight in your opinion? Not even one from what I saw. Have you ever tried one of those reaction speed tests? She had clearly turned the wheels by the time she was shot.

You and I will have to disagree on this one, but if she was turning to the right when moving forward AND the bullet still went directly through the drivers side of the front window that is further proof that the officer clearly thought she was driving towards him.

Remember it isn't about her intention, its about what he percieved.

Fulmine · 25/01/2026 08:25

Livelovebehappy · 24/01/2026 23:38

Why was the guy carrying a gun? We don’t yet know his background. We don’t know if he was a threat to just ICE or people around him. Had he started firing the gun indiscriminately and shot dead bystanders, then the rhetoric would be ‘why wasn’t he brought down when his gun was spotted’.

Surely you aren't this ignorant of basic facts on the right to bear arms in the US. Do you seriously believe US law enforcement are trained to shoot on sight if they see someone in possession of a holstered gun? If that ever became policy the gun lobby would be the ones rioting. In fact, it would be fascinating to hear the take of the NRA.

Lych333 · 25/01/2026 08:26

2021x · 25/01/2026 08:17

I am reporting what I saw on the video taken by her partner. My concern is there are two opposing narratives in the media, neither of which reflect what I saw on the video.

So you’re choosing to ignore the huge amount of footage from many angles, witness accounts and expert views alongside her last spoken words….?
Okaaay.

Is that you Kristi?

ExtraOnions · 25/01/2026 08:27

How many of the “seven steps of an authoritarian takeover” can we tick for the USA?

1. Politicizing Independent Institutions
Authoritarian leaders systematically capture and weaponize institutions designed to serve as democratic guardrails. They replace qualified civil servants with loyalists, regardless of competence, transforming agencies meant to serve the public into tools of personal power. This includes taking control of the judiciary, election administration, law enforcement, and regulatory bodies.

2. Spreading Disinformation
Truth becomes the first casualty in the authoritarian playbook. Leaders deliberately distort facts, rewrite history, and promote conspiracy theories to confuse the public and undermine shared understanding of reality. This creates an environment where citizens cannot make informed decisions and democratic debate becomes impossible.

3. Aggrandizing Executive Power
Aspiring dictators relentlessly expand presidential or executive authority at the expense of legislative and judicial branches. They exploit crises, real or manufactured, to justify emergency powers that become permanent fixtures of governance.

4. Quashing Criticism and Dissent
Free speech and press freedom face systematic assault through legal restrictions, economic pressure, and intimidation. Critics find themselves subjected to harassment, investigation, prosecution, or worse - creating a chilling effect that silences opposition voices.

5. Targeting Vulnerable Communities
Authoritarians consistently weaponize fear by demonizing immigrants, minorities, and marginalized groups. This strategy serves multiple purposes: mobilizing their base, deflecting attention from their own failures, and creating scapegoats for societal problems.

6. Corrupting Elections
While maintaining the facade of democratic legitimacy, authoritarian leaders manipulate electoral systems through voter suppression, gerrymandering, and fraud. They simultaneously undermine confidence in election integrity, creating doubt about results that don't favor them.

7. Stoking Violence
Political intimidation and violence become normalized tools of control. This ranges from rhetorical incitement to organized harassment, ultimately creating an atmosphere where opposition becomes physically dangerous.

2021x · 25/01/2026 08:27

Lych333 · 25/01/2026 08:26

So you’re choosing to ignore the huge amount of footage from many angles, witness accounts and expert views alongside her last spoken words….?
Okaaay.

Is that you Kristi?

Can I ask.. is there any evidence that you would believe that would make you change your mind that the officer thought she was driving towards him?

chemicalworld · 25/01/2026 08:29

'extremist rhetoric against Trump ', do you think he's a reasonable man?

Fulmine · 25/01/2026 08:29

NamefortheseThreads · 24/01/2026 23:46

The White House has posted an absolutely batshit crazy post on their social media. Honestly, this guy has the nuclear codes 🤦‍♀️

Good grief. How does he even have the time to type out that stream of drivel?

ExtraOnions · 25/01/2026 08:29

2021x · 25/01/2026 08:23

From the video I saw Alex Petty strike a woman to the ground- I have no idea who she is.

Then he is jumped on to what I assume are at least 3 ICE officers- then the footage is taken from much further away and is really grainy. I can't tell who is doing what, I can't even tell who is who as they are all dressed the same.

…so the footage only becomes grainy (untrustworthy), when it stops feeding the narrative that he was the aggressor.. interesting

2021x · 25/01/2026 08:30

ExtraOnions · 25/01/2026 08:27

How many of the “seven steps of an authoritarian takeover” can we tick for the USA?

1. Politicizing Independent Institutions
Authoritarian leaders systematically capture and weaponize institutions designed to serve as democratic guardrails. They replace qualified civil servants with loyalists, regardless of competence, transforming agencies meant to serve the public into tools of personal power. This includes taking control of the judiciary, election administration, law enforcement, and regulatory bodies.

2. Spreading Disinformation
Truth becomes the first casualty in the authoritarian playbook. Leaders deliberately distort facts, rewrite history, and promote conspiracy theories to confuse the public and undermine shared understanding of reality. This creates an environment where citizens cannot make informed decisions and democratic debate becomes impossible.

3. Aggrandizing Executive Power
Aspiring dictators relentlessly expand presidential or executive authority at the expense of legislative and judicial branches. They exploit crises, real or manufactured, to justify emergency powers that become permanent fixtures of governance.

4. Quashing Criticism and Dissent
Free speech and press freedom face systematic assault through legal restrictions, economic pressure, and intimidation. Critics find themselves subjected to harassment, investigation, prosecution, or worse - creating a chilling effect that silences opposition voices.

5. Targeting Vulnerable Communities
Authoritarians consistently weaponize fear by demonizing immigrants, minorities, and marginalized groups. This strategy serves multiple purposes: mobilizing their base, deflecting attention from their own failures, and creating scapegoats for societal problems.

6. Corrupting Elections
While maintaining the facade of democratic legitimacy, authoritarian leaders manipulate electoral systems through voter suppression, gerrymandering, and fraud. They simultaneously undermine confidence in election integrity, creating doubt about results that don't favor them.

7. Stoking Violence
Political intimidation and violence become normalized tools of control. This ranges from rhetorical incitement to organized harassment, ultimately creating an atmosphere where opposition becomes physically dangerous.

I have a theory that we are currently in a Ragnarok Cycle- which I guess this is.

The first thing that happens in Ragnarok is that Loki- Mischeif god (my money is on Zuckerberg for this role) kills the god of truth.

Then all the gods go to war, and wipe each other out...and then it all starts again.

Walkden · 25/01/2026 08:31

"How does this fit in with the much-defended right to bear arms? Does having a gun on you somewhere automatically mean you want to harm someone and carry the death penalty in America now?"

Clearly not, but having citizens and law enforcement routinely armed leads to increased risks of shootings, whether that by aggression, misunderstandings, nervousness, overreaction. Etc

The right to bear arms has costs involved but in the USA constitution these costs are seen as acceptable /worthwhile.

Lych333 · 25/01/2026 08:31

2021x · 25/01/2026 08:27

Can I ask.. is there any evidence that you would believe that would make you change your mind that the officer thought she was driving towards him?

What more could there be than the huge amount of video footage shot from various angles, witness counts,expert views relating to her car and her actual last words?

2021x · 25/01/2026 08:31

ExtraOnions · 25/01/2026 08:29

…so the footage only becomes grainy (untrustworthy), when it stops feeding the narrative that he was the aggressor.. interesting

Well its taken from further away so I am assuming the first person stopped filming. Thats all I can see.

The only thing we know is that he was fatally shot, by and ICE agent.

Vcal2017 · 25/01/2026 08:31

Bloodylovecheese · 24/01/2026 20:27

Civil war = National Guard = No mid term elections
Trump is killing people for his own agenda.

Edited

Exactly this. He can claim some sort of national emergency and then use that as justification to not hold an election.

ietsfrans · 25/01/2026 08:31

HighStreetOtter · 24/01/2026 21:38

Ok I’ve seen video of it now from two angles. He’s in the street, another protester gets pushed over, he goes to help her, they get pepper sprayed, he gets tackled by six or so agents and they briefly beat him and then shoot him.

sadly lots of comments on twitter from maga idiots saying he got what he deserved and shouldn’t have fought officers (i didn’t see that he was), saying he was armed (he’s allowed to be in America), saying he pulled his gun (i didn’t see this). So yeah, they’ll justify it alright. With lies.

Of course Trump and Reform supporters are justifying these murders all over social media. Goodness on the threads discussing the murder of Renee Nicole Good were some right weirdos.

They're arguing fifo and claiming actions have consequences when their own parents were probably too disinterested to ever give consequences. Sad.

Lych333 · 25/01/2026 08:32

This is why ICE is more scared of phones than anything else.

Aethelredtheunsteady · 25/01/2026 08:32

2021x · 25/01/2026 08:20

Do you think it is possible to be a nurse and to be a domestic terrorist, though? They are not mutually exclusive and have worked in healthcare I can tell you nurses are not all angels.

For what its worth I don't know what the threshold is for the definition of domestic terrorist, but I do think it is highly probable that this man was whipped up by extremist rhetoric against Trump and ultimately has paid with is life, which is an incredible waste.

No, I don't think they're mutually exclusive. But it does make it harder for the Trump administration to frame it as him being an undesirable who had it coming (although ICE could execute Jesus on the street tomorrow and the cult would fall in line).

What's your evidence that he was whipped up by extremist rhetoric?

From the videos he's filming the protest/ICE (perfectly legal) then goes to the aid of two women (who were also not acting aggressively but were being pepper sprayed). He's then beaten, disarmed (not that there's any indication he was doing anything other than exercising his legal right to carry a gun - something the American right has prioritised consistently, even when it's led to the murder of countless children) and shot in the street.

It is not illegal to protest. It is not illegal to protest whilst carrying a gun (same as in the states it is not illegal to go buy milk carrying a gun, or got to a yoga class carrying a gun).

If you think any of Alex Pretti's actions are in any way domestic terrorism (which you imply by not knowing what the 'threshold is' then I don't know what to say.

2021x · 25/01/2026 08:33

ietsfrans · 25/01/2026 08:31

Of course Trump and Reform supporters are justifying these murders all over social media. Goodness on the threads discussing the murder of Renee Nicole Good were some right weirdos.

They're arguing fifo and claiming actions have consequences when their own parents were probably too disinterested to ever give consequences. Sad.

Ah beg your pardon I thought he pushed her, I can see now he doesn't- and then then go to town on him.

Manifestsleep · 25/01/2026 08:34

2021x · 25/01/2026 08:27

Can I ask.. is there any evidence that you would believe that would make you change your mind that the officer thought she was driving towards him?

I'll answer for this poster. Yes, absolutely if I saw a video of her driving at him I would, but from the multiple videos I have watched i can't possibly arrive at this determination. Coupled with the fact that of the three gunshot sounds, the first two were non-fatal and it was the third shot which went through her temple on the left hand side , there is no way you can come to that conclusion. He shot her from the side because her wheels were already turned.

myrtleWilson · 25/01/2026 08:34

How many of the different videos have you watched @2021x ? There are various, from different positions on the pavement/road so you don’t have to rely on one that is ‘grainy’

Also, get the murdered victim’s name right - Alex Pretti

NamefortheseThreads · 25/01/2026 08:34

2021x · 25/01/2026 08:07

The front wheels are not turned to the right when she starts travelling forward, and the first shot was straight through the windshield not even to the side. This is what has led me to conclude that when officer fired the first shot she was travelling toward him, not turning as people have reported.

I have no judgement or opinion on why this happended i.e. whether she was trying to intimidate him, or she just didn't see him in her panic- I guess the body cam of the officer who was reaching into the car will tell us more.

Do you know why she was there though, because I still can't work it out?

Do you know why she was there though, because I still can't work it out?

Don’t be coy, if you’re inferring she asked for it by being there, why don’t you just come out and say it?

MynameisJune · 25/01/2026 08:35

2021x · 25/01/2026 08:23

From the video I saw Alex Petty strike a woman to the ground- I have no idea who she is.

Then he is jumped on to what I assume are at least 3 ICE officers- then the footage is taken from much further away and is really grainy. I can't tell who is doing what, I can't even tell who is who as they are all dressed the same.

Alex Pretti (get his name right) did NOT push the woman. ICE agents pushed the woman and then pepper sprayed her, Alex came to her aid and because of that the weak minded, misogynistic ICE agents dragged him to the ground, disarmed him and shot him.

Renee Good was told by TWO ICE agents differing instructions. She was told to move on by one agent, and then another tried to make her stop. This is their tactic, this is what they do. What was she supposed to do? Which instruction was she to follow when armed, masked men are storming towards her?

God I hope you’re not really this obtuse and stupid. I hope you’re a troll or a bot.

ExtraOnions · 25/01/2026 08:36

2021x · 25/01/2026 08:33

Ah beg your pardon I thought he pushed her, I can see now he doesn't- and then then go to town on him.

So now you have reviewed the footage, and accept that he didn’t pish anyone, what is you take on last night,

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