If anyone is observing the carnage in Minneapolis.....

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2026/jan/24/minneapolis-shooting-live

Guardian is running a live feed, and a good unbiased source is Agenda Free TV on YouTube also running live feeds from the streets there.

Obviously multiple versions of events being thrown about as it's very fresh.

Sending solidarity across the pond to any US Mumsnetters in the locale and protesting the awful actions of ICE and disregard of your constitution by the "President".

You would not believe how many people do justify it, it's shocking.
So many people are just too hateful to see what is going on.

Why @2021x did you put quotation marks around the murdered victim’s job status?
The various videos show he made no move towards his legally carried gun. Said gun was removed from him by ICE who then fired 8-10 shots at him. Which part of this leads you to question his actions not ICEs?
Are you suggesting all people who legally carry firearms in the state should be shot and murdered

The front wheels are not turned to the right when she starts travelling forward, and the first shot was straight through the windshield not even to the side. This is what has led me to conclude that when officer fired the first shot she was travelling toward him, not turning as people have reported.

I have no judgement or opinion on why this happended i.e. whether she was trying to intimidate him, or she just didn't see him in her panic- I guess the body cam of the officer who was reaching into the car will tell us more.

Do you know why she was there though, because I still can't work it out?

WTF.
You know people dont usually carry guns in the US.
They may have them at homes, but they dont just randomly go to work with a gun in their bags. Who told you patients carry guns? Trump TV?

If this particular event had happened in Britain, there would be an immediate emergency debate in the House of Commons. If the Prime Minister or indeed any minister sought to defend the shooters in the way Trump has, there would be a vote of No Confidence in him from most if not all of his own party. Happily, it would be career-ending.

Admittedly that might not happen if we had a Reform government, which is why it's desperately important that we don't.

As I said, I simply cannot trust the media on these issues any more. I also don't really know why him being a nurse is relevent to this story.

I would think it was relevant if the event happend in a health care facility, but not some protestors in the street.

I was referencing what happened last night.

With the other one, they had no reason to kill her, they knew her car, they could have had law enforcement pick her up later. She was no “clear and present danger”

Not everyone needs to end to dead, due to the perceptions of a few (seemingly untrained) highly aggressive agents.

It seems that lethal force is acceptable, even when people are lawfully going about their day.

What you ‘believe’ doesn’t carry much weight when official inquiries since then have found otherwise, but thank you for proving my point about how hard it is to get justice when people swallow what the government tells them.

How can you justify government agents being the tinder point? They are supposed to be keeping people safe.

In most countries in Europe, in Canada, Australia, NZ which the US ought to be on a par with, it would be a national scandal if rogue state employees shot someone dead in this way, likely leading to overthrowing the government or certainly major resignations and political change.

I get there is an outcry in the US but it does doesn't seem enough for the level of stuff that is going on. Fair play to anyone out on the streets protesting in -20C! The media seem weak though and use equivocation or are unable to convey how shocking it is.

Let me convey how shocking it is. Trump is Hitler and the US is Germany in 1936. That's where you are right now, and just have a quick Google to see where you are going if you don't know your 20th century history.

Or for a more modern comparison, Syria, Russia and Iran.

Wake the fuck up, get rid of this guy and do the world a favour. And if you are too selfish for that, do yourselves a favour.

I imagine its how the holocaust was allowed to happen. Idiot people making excuses and justifying murder, just like they are now.

Can’t trust “the media” .. who do you mean by that ? What is your trusted source of information?

I think I disagree with that. I believe that she was clearly driving towards where the officer was standing. Why she did that I don't know, but considering the cirumstances and her previous behviour of non-compliance of law-enforcement officers command, I think it is reasonable for them to believe she was driving towards him.

Your judgement of the officers being "untrained" is an opinion but I can appreciate having seen the footage why you would think that. There is a distinct lack of de-escalation- though considering her behaviour and the fact she knows the process- indicates she might have done this before and I wonder if the filming started after they had asked her to move and she was now obstructing their operation.

What do you think?

Exactly this.

At this point... no-one as per my original post.

You clearly do trust some source of news. You believe Renee was driving at the ICE man even though many of us who watched the video disagree. You're trusting something somewhere that the rest of us don't.

Well it's relevant as it helps expose the Trump administration's lies. They're trying to paint him as a domestic terrorist who attacked ICE. Whereas we can see from the video that he actually came to the aid of women who were being attacked by ICE for filming (which is legal), had his phone in his hands when he was pepper sprayed/beaten to the floor, had both his hands on the ground rather than reaching for his (legally carried) gun, a gun which was then removed before ICE agents emptied multiple rounds into him before taking away witnesses and stating 'BooHoo' at passers by.

You also have a legal right to protest.

Him being a VA nurse doesn't really tally with the terrorist propaganda they're trying to smear him with.

You say you don't trust the media and you don't understand the video. But you seem fairly certain of your own interpretation. You'll believe 'body cam' etc from the agents but they don't wear them and even if they did, in the case of Renee Good it's been decided there will be no investigation.

I truly hope you are a Russian bot as it's less depressing than the alternative.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

I am reporting what I saw on the video taken by her partner. My concern is there are two opposing narratives in the media, neither of which reflect what I saw on the video.

There was a purge of non-Trumpers among the military top brass a while back. It's a tried and tested tactic.

How does this fit in with the much-defended right to bear arms? Does having a gun on you somewhere automatically mean you want to harm someone and carry the death penalty in America now? That's going to come as a hell of a shock to a lot of Trump supporters.

So what’s your take on last night, if your only source if information is your own eyes?

Excellent post. Only thing I’d say is that it isn’t Trump who created this environment – he’s just the guy who knows how to negotiate it best.

Whats created the environment is largely the ultra-decentralised media, which leads us to herd ourselves towards the extremes because those are the most impactful stories, which in turn leads people to tell and even to behave in ways which generate even more impactful stories the next time.

This is a typical example – the event has happened too recently for anyone to know the whole truth, and yet nearly everything you read is all-one-way or all-the-other. Fine for an argument in the pub, terrible for conducting a society.

Do you think it is possible to be a nurse and to be a domestic terrorist, though? They are not mutually exclusive and have worked in healthcare I can tell you nurses are not all angels.

For what its worth I don't know what the threshold is for the definition of domestic terrorist, but I do think it is highly probable that this man was whipped up by extremist rhetoric against Trump and ultimately has paid with is life, which is an incredible waste.

I think Trump has been doing this alot longer than we have been paying attention for. All those "Birther" posts where collecting data as to where he should campaign.

The biggest mistake that we have all made, was to take him at his word either as a stupid fool, or as a protector of the American Dream.

They're not silent. But they do have a commitment to not showing bias so will be verifying before they report. They are covering this latest govt approved murder.