If anyone is observing the carnage in Minneapolis.....

[MistressoftheDarkSide]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2026/jan/24/minneapolis-shooting-live

Guardian is running a live feed, and a good unbiased source is Agenda Free TV on YouTube also running live feeds from the streets there.

Obviously multiple versions of events being thrown about as it's very fresh.

Sending solidarity across the pond to any US Mumsnetters in the locale and protesting the awful actions of ICE and disregard of your constitution by the "President".

No. Trump is the inevitable consequence of idiots voting for fascists.

He was carrying a gun because he was legally licenced to do so. As is his 2nd amendment right. Not that the constitution seems to matter anymore. Well, apart from that bit 🙄
The official lies narrative was pretty quickly put out..

In the last few moments, US Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem has been speaking about the shooting in Minneapolis.
She says the man who was shot approached federal agents with 9mm semi-automatic handgun, and officers attempted to disarm him. Noem says he then "reacted violently".
One officer then fired "defensive shots", she says, adding that he feared for both his and other officer's lives.

And then the video appeared
https://x.com/ryangrim/status/2015132217878384791

Very few of the immigrant population of Minnesota are undocumented compared to red states btw. Any explanation for ICEstapo terrorising Minneapolis in light of that fact?

They have an article on this?

For those who claim to support ICE:

Carnage usually comes from toxic people.

This is horrifying, he was executed on the spot while lying helpless on the floor.

Yep. ICE murdering people is the result of people voting for Trump too. The ‘look what you made us do’ excuse was always thin but now it’s transparent.

There is one angle that shows one of the ICE agents clapping as he walks backwards from the scene. Clapping. They’re enjoying themselves.

Utterly horrific. Why are world leaders not condemning this in the strongest possible terms? Why are the people in government around Trump not saying anything to him? Horrific.

According to GB "News":

"A man approached the agents with a firearm, leading the officers to take defensive action"

Shit like this (Fox News etc) is how you end up with radicalized nut jobs like we've seen in this thread.

You’re not wrong, but even Fox News have reported on the letter Pam Bondi has sent to Tim Walz saying that they will only call off the ICE dogs if he agrees to the below, I mean WTF:

• First, share all of Minnesota’s records on Medicaid and Food and Nutrition Service programs, including the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program data, with the federal government. Allowing the federal government to efficiently investigate fraud will save Minnesota taxpayers’ money and ensure that Minnesota’s welfare funds are being used to help those in need, not enrich fraudsters.

• Second, repeal the sanctuary policies that have led to so much crime and violence in your state. Removing criminal illegal aliens from Minnesota neighborhoods will save lives, and state and local officials should support this goal. All detention facilities in your state should cooperate fully with ICE, honor immigration detainers, and permit ICE to interview detainees in custody to determine immigration status. I urge you to reach an agreement with ICE that allows them to remove illegal aliens in custody of Minnesota’s prisons and jails and avoids pushing these interactions into your streets.

• Third, allow the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice to access voter rolls to confirm that Minnesota’s voter registration practices comply with federal law as authorized by the Civil Rights Act of 1960. Fulfilling this common sense request will better guarantee free and fair elections and boost confidence in the rule of law. I am confident that these simple steps will help bring back law and order to Minnesota and improve the lives of Americans

www.foxnews.com/politics/read-it-bondi-sends-warning-letter-gov-walz-warning-minnesotas-immigration-policies-endanger-agents.amp

Trump is out if control and he is surrounded by sycophants who choose to parrot his rhetoric. They are very, very dangerous. Masked men dragging men, women and children out of their homes, using excessive violence, treating human beings with contempt is despicable. If they are doing their job legitimately why aren't they showing their faces, or wearing id badges or numbers as the police would. There is absolutely no justification for shooting people dead in the street.

It's truly awful. But 'carnage'??

I thought there'd been another mass shooting.

Things are bad enough. No need to be hyperbolic.

Imagine your loved one is shot and killed for no good reason in full view of the world and knowing the perpetrators are not only going to get away with it, but are being praised and protected by the administration and the supporters online.

Add to that , the administration are dragging your loved ones name through the dirt to try and justify it and people online are also defending it. Oh, and it's going to happen again.

This is literally worse than a crazy incel doing a mass shooting because at least those at the top will be offering their bullshit thoughts and prayers and the shooter will probably face justice or die.

It’s utterly terrifying

That's funny. I thought the British always say to seperate the person from the country's deeds?

When there was a thread here before about all the murders and the atrocities that the British empire committed up until the recent past, every British person on the thread said 'its nothing to do with me, its not my fault that I was born on the same patch of land' etc etc

From The Times:

American citizens are not safe from ICE. Diego, who was born and raised in the US, was in his car with two friends from Honduras when six agents surrounded them.

“They came up and started pounding on the windows,” he told me, asking for his real name not to be used in case of reprisals. “The guy at my window breaks it, opens the door, shoves a Taser in my face and starts hitting me in the head with it, saying why didn’t you co-operate?”

When one agent pulled him out of the car, another pointed a gun at him, demanding to know why he hadn’t immediately opened the door. They handcuffed him and his friends and threw them into their car, which was unmarked.

“They told me they’d throw me in jail with paedophiles and stuff and they’d be comfy at home in their beds,” he said. “They were getting heated, getting in my face, calling me pussy, a bitch.”

The officers knew he was a US citizen. Diego, who is 19, had given them his details and they had looked him up on a database. But they still detained him and threw him into a holding cell. As he lay there, he worried that they’d try to deport him, as other US citizens with immigrant backgrounds have been. “They said, stop yelling that you’re a US citizen, it’s not going to help you,” he told me.

After four hours, ICE officers released him into the frozen afternoon, dressed only in tracksuit bottoms and a thin top, with no laces in his trainers. “They just arrested me because they wanted to,” he said.

Cruelty is not a side-effect of immigration enforcement. Cruelty is the first priority.

I wasn't born when the British Empire was a thing.

Trump is very much happening now.

The effects of the British empire are very much still happening now

What about Northern Ireland. The U.K. invasion of Northern Ireland caused huge troubles and conflict in Northern Ireland up until 1998. That's very recent

Yes. DH just said that he needs to find a way to dispense with the midterms.

I say it on a loop to anyone who will listen, but I believe that America has seen its last free and fair presidential election for a long time.

"Why are world leaders not condemning this in the strongest possible terms?"

Which world leaders are you referring to? I would have thought it obvious why most would say nothing. Trump is fickle and impulsive.

Does anyone think similar may happen in the UK eventually? Not shooting perhaps, but escalating violence towards immigrants, perpetrated by law enforcement.

Not sure why Americans should be ashamed of the country. Seems silly and unhelpful to try to shame people when they're trying to change the country internally. On the contrary -- I'm proud of all the Americans who are not taking the administrative's tyrannical behavior lying down. I'm proud that people remain committed to human rights to the point that they are facing up to ICE in defense of immigrants who cannot lest they be deported.

"Civil war = National Guard = No mid term elections"

Wow. There is a lot of hyperbole on this thread. Americans whether democrats or republican believe in democracy.

Trump and his administration had a clear mandate / "will of the people" etc and probably tell themselves they are shaking up the established order to get things done but that does not make them fascists.