Women and anyone with a cervix

[Zillyzillyzillymouse]

Women and anyone with a cervix is written in my weekly magazine. What absolute rubbish is this? It gives me the rage.

I literally don’t care if it says women AND anyone with a cervix. That’s inclusive.

It’s when they take the women out completely.

I’m assuming your friend is a transman? Definitely not male!

of course India Willoughby (transwoman) famously declared having a cervix along with an offer to show it to anyone who didn’t believe it….. 🤷‍♀️

I'm a woman but my cervix has been removed. If I saw that headline I would assume it was something cervix-specific and not relevant to me - e.g. the importance of having a smear.

Well they could be including cats 🐈

Or women who identity as cats.

Or indeed bitches. They have cervixes.

It’s hard to know since the language is nonsensical.

Your partner knows they are a biological women with a gender identity. So they would clearly have the relevant medical checks for their sex.

Are you telling us that your partner doesn't realise that she's female? Does she worry about getting prostate cancer, for instance? Of course she doesn't. She knows that if something medical talks about women, it means her. That's because you can't change sex.

But they don’t identify as women so there really is nothing wrong with adding a separate reference just for them. Especially as “women” is mentioned.

She is female.

I would have thought hoped that trans people had enough sense, being grown up adult humans and all, to know that their original sex still dominates their body and should be taken into account when thinking about potential sex based illnesses, such as cervical cancer, ovarian cancer, testicular cancer, penile cancer, prostate cancer.

The only way people know if they even have a cervix is because they are women or girls.

He.

There’s no need to be deliberately unpleasant.

You’re helping no one and achieving nothing by being transphobic.

It baffles me that you can be about putting women first in women’s healthcare…yet want to exclude some women because they don’t like the term ‘woman’. Who bloody cares? I care about women, that they get good healthcare and are empowered in their own bodies. I care just as much about women who don’t define themselves as feminine as I do about women who do. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Has a transman actually ever got offended at being called a woman when they go for a smear test?

I had not thought about this but it’s a good point too.

The wording does matter and it’s important it’s consistent. Frequently we see ‘women and anyone with a cervix’ but we don’t see ‘men and anyone with a penis’

The cervical and prostate cancer pages are a good example of this. The first page on cervical
doesn’t mention women but the prostate says men.

I just want to see the words women and men explicitly mentioned every single time. In a way if
someone is so deluded that they think they can change sex they probably don’t even understand the ‘with a cervix’ anyway!

Your boyfriend is a woman so is already included.

The women who most need to be targeted to have cervical smears are often those in marginalised or vulnerable groups.

It might be because culturally it's not the done thing, English might not be their first language or they might have difficulty processing messages around medical issues.

Aside from the trans debate, saying 'women and those with a cervix' is not inclusive. It could actually exclude women who don't understand what the fuck that sevond bit means, and create a barrier to them accessing the care they need.

Simple language is really important for these things.

"Inclusive"? Why include men if you mean women? Why include women if you mean men?

Anyone with a cervix is a woman, their sex is female whatever gender they want to identify with.

Totally agree. Load of woke bollocks. The world's gone mad

Because reality and truth matter.

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What does any of that have to do with acknowledging them in a way that does not erase women.

What right do you have to dictate that others must use inaccurate pronouns? Getting what sex people are confused does a lot of damage. In medical contexts, as well as others contexts.

Only in some instances apparently.

The reason I have an issue with this, btw, is that believing humans can change sex, or have a separate "gender" essence, is a religious belief, and I firmly believe that healthcare shouldn't be influenced by any religion or ideology.

What text are you referring to here that erases women?

Why should anyone be defined by a body part?