To be so scared and horrified about ICE?

[BarbaraVineFan]

Sorry, I know there must be other threads about this, but I’m lying in bed alone , feeling really terrified about what’s going on in the US right now and what it will lead to. I keep seeing videos saying that Trump’s administration is behaving as though they don’t have to worry about winning an election because they will just seize power. I also saw a couple suggesting that this is the start of civil war. I think it’s such a dark time for the world and I am genuinely worried for my 6 year old DD’s future.

I agree, this doesn't strike me as a good thing.

Sadly for you the Mail is the most popular widely read paper in this country . Think you're out of step with popular thinking .

What, do people who read the mail, 'think'!

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-killings-by-country

Also, while the number of police shootings in the U.S. is still abnormally high, it is noteworthy that once that number is evaluated in relation to the total population, the U.S. drops out of the top ten. When compared by the number of police killings per 10 million residents, the U.S. ranks 33rd. While this is an improvement, its number of 28.54 per 10 million residents is nearly double that of the next-highest developed country (Luxembourg, whose population is so small that a single killing gave in a 16.9 score) and nearly three times that of Canada (9.7).

It's also unevenly distributed across the US and across ethices in US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_annual_rates_and_counts_for_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers

This one has US at 29 when looking killing per 10 million citizens.

European counties are much lower in the tables. Malta at 39 is the highest with one shooting but small population. Next one Luxembourg with one shooting.

European police forces are just not killing at anywhere near the US level - armed or not.

According to a list on Wikipedia Venezuela has the highest rate of police who kill citizens: 1,829 per 10 million. USA comes in 29th with 33 per 10 million. Its not good, but it does lend some perspective.

Goldenbear ·
"What, do people who read the mail, 'think'!"

They don't- well not critically anyway.

Your orginal argument was it wasn't bad compared to Europe - it really is.

There are 29 countries ahead - but look at the countires - ones known to have poltical unrest and lawlessness or very least economic depression.

Sadly that does seem to be summing up the US now as well.

We only gave to think about Jean Charles de Menendez to know that there is a straightforward link to arming more officers resulting in more deaths.

Is that the best you can do . Tragic

It's not sarcasm, a real question.

Popular thinking was never the right way to guide your own opinions. Especially from Daily Mail readers. 😂

So just skim it, enough to keep yourself basically informed, if that is important to you.
Just don’t wallow in all the bad news.

My dh does tend to wallow in it, but TBH it doesn’t seem to bother him.

I wasn't comparing it to Europe. I was comparing it to the global stats.

You literally stated that the UK had soft approach to policing and it was different in Europe where Police are routinely armed.

This☝️

It’s like a Rorschach test lol. But there’s a reason neither cop will be prosecuted for these shootings.

Yes, but you are comparing the USA to Britain. Britain has soft touch policing, unlike most of the world, including Europe. Most police forces in Europe are armed.

I looked at the freely avalaible information and found USA was really bad for police killings - we're not even looking at maining or wrongful arrests- just killings.

Now your saying you better than countries some of who are coming out of civil wars or are on brink of another or have non democratic authoritarian governments - and we're suppose to be impressed at such a low bar - it's so odd.

Yes, exactly, countries that are exiting civil war. I mean, what has happened, as a kid I always thought of the U.S. as ET, Ghostbusters and Indiana Jones fighting the Nazis, I realise it was fiction but they certainly depicted themselves as doing the right thing.

I realise it was fiction but they certainly depicted themselves as doing the right thing.

Soft power - if you look at their actual history is really bloody like many countries.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hollywood-cia-washington-dc-films-fbi-24-intervening-close-relationship-a7918191.html

Files we obtained, mainly through the US Freedom of Information Act, show that between 1911 and 2017, more than 800 feature films received support from the US Government’s Department of Defence (DoD), a significantly higher figure than previous estimates indicate. These included blockbuster franchises such as Transformers, Iron Man, and The Terminator.
On television, we found over 1,100 titles received Pentagon backing – 900 of them since 2005, from Flight 93 to Ice Road Truckers to Army Wives.
When we include individual episodes for long running shows like 24, Homeland, and NCIS, as well as the influence of other major organisations like the FBI and White House, we can establish unequivocally for the first time that the national security state has supported thousands of hours of entertainment.
For its part, the CIA has assisted in 60 film and television shows since its formation in 1947. This is a much lower figure than the DoD’s but its role has nonetheless been significant.

I'm sure they did it just because all those govenemnet agencies just love entertainment.

Wow, an interesting read!

That doesn't change the facts about the paper and the comments. It just reflects the decline of our country and values.

Every dog has his day. Once Trump has died, US will right itself again. His VP will pipe down too.

@HipHopDontYouStop
"It is crazy that people are trying to justify a killing, a cold blooded killing on the streets by these ICE goons."

Well its not that people support cold blooded killing, its that they reject the premise that this was a cold blooded killing. Cold blooded implies a calculated and considered decision to kill, whereas many people, rightly or wrongly believe the agent thought that Good was a threat with her vehicle, and so used deadly force.

I agree it wasn’t a coldly considered killing. It was a panicked reaction by an officer who, assuming he did think Good was a threat, could very easily have stepped further away from the car, but instead his first reaction was to stand still and draw his gun. Which escalated the risk both to him and her.

Even worse- reckless, lawless, undisciplined killings, medieval!