West Midlands Police Chief Constable Should beSacked......

[Ablondiebutagoody]

..... for using fake evidence to justify the ban on Jewish fans from the Aston Villa v Maccabi Tel Aviv match last year. When in reality, the threat was towards those fans from local anti-semites and he just couldn't be arsed to protect them.

I fear you are right. There’s a worrying trend of bowing down to pressure from Muslim groups. Anyone remember the schoolteacher from Batley still in hiding?

Yes, there's going to be so much sectarianism in the future. At least this cowardly 'police chief' is getting called out on it.

What an odd comment. Do you go to any football matches? Fans sing disgusting songs all the time, some of these are racist although arguably less so than in recent decades.

Why are the Maccabi fans to be treated differently to fans of other football clubs who often behave in reprehensible ways?

There was no evidence that Birmingham residents would have been 'unsafe'. That's the problem. The police made their risk assessment without properly assessing the risks.

I don't think OP's points are correct. The club's fans have caused trouble at a lot of games and much nastier trouble than "normal" football hooligans, but yes appalling from the Police.

I suspect he was a luttle but right in his earlier assertion that it was a Google search result, it will have been the AI response that comes up when you do a Google search, and someone was either lazy enough to use it or stupid enough not to realise what it was, but either way, not OK.

they used KI to make up a load of twaddle.

give your head a wobble

When you say 'much nastier', what evidence are you using to inform this comment?

I watched Lord Mann give evidence at the Home Affairs Select Committee and he is so articulate. He says that there is no real evidence of Maccabi fans being any more or less violent than any other football club. A lot of what was in the police report was based on hearsay, not facts. I wonder if you're doing the same.

The violence from this particular set of fans is not like other football hooligans. A game in Haifa was abandoned at half time last year because of safety fears. When does that ever happen regardless of the awful behaviour of some of our own fans?

So yes, the evidence presented was very flawed and he should absolutely be accountable for that, but there were real reasons they were putting that case together in the first place.

I don't want thugs like that coming to the city where I live, chanting their vile slogans - or do the Maccabie apologists here think that chants like "There are no schools in Gaza, as there are no children left" are acceptable in a residential area, where the Villa ground is located, and where children live?

tbh i didn't want drunken coked up England fans running round Germany singing "two world wars and one world cup" and yet there they were.

tbh the maccabie fans are appalling, but you can't go round making up stuff to get people banned. Especially not under pressure from special interest groups. THAT is the point. Not the actual football fans.

Well I don't know but their home security found it necessary to abandon the game in Haifa.

The game in Haifa was halted because the Haifa fans threw flares at players. Maccabi Haifa is a different team to Maccabi Tel Aviv.

Do you even understand the facts you're using in your own posts?

From the report into the "evidence" provided by WMP to the SAG, kindly posted by Binus (sorry its so long, but WMP made up so much stuff!):

These inaccuracies included the following:
1.“The most recent match Maccabi Tel Aviv played in the UK was against West Ham United in the UEFA Europa Conference League group stage on 9th November 2023”
As has been widely reported, there was no such fixture. When we spoke to the Chief Constable of WMP, he told us that the force didn’t use artificial intelligence (AI) tools in the preparation of the SAG report. During his appearance at the Home Affairs Committee on 6 January 2026, he confirmed this point. However, we heard contradictory evidence from a different WMP interviewee. This interviewee told us in clear terms that the erroneous statement was the result of a search the force carried out using Microsoft Copilot. This search tool uses AI. The interviewee described the error as “an AI hallucination”.
2. “The police response saw 5,000 officers deployed over a number of days”
We have found no evidence to substantiate this statement, which was about the number of officers deployed in the Netherlands at the November 2024 Ajax v Maccabi Tel Aviv fixture. According to WMP records, Dutch police commanders briefed the force that approximately 2,000 officers had been deployed at that fixture. The same Dutch police commanders told our inspectors that they had deployed 1,200 officers. They also told us that, in their briefing to WMP, they said they understood that 5,000 officers had been deployed in Paris for an Israeli national team fixture.
3.“Over 200 [of the 2,800 Israeli fans who travelled to the November 2024 Ajax fixture] were linked to the Israeli Defence Forces”
This is a conflation of multiple sources of information and is incorrectly stated as fact.
4. “The day before the [Ajax] fixture saw approximately 500–600 Maccabi fans apparently intentionally targeting Muslim communities”
There is evidence that Maccabi Tel Aviv fans targeted Muslims and pro-Palestinians, but they targeted individuals rather than residential communities. The Dutch police told us that Amsterdam’s Muslim residential communities are generally outside the city centre and that there was no significant disorder outside the city centre.
5. “[The 500–600 Maccabi fans] tearing down Palestine flags”
This exaggerates the information the Dutch police told us they provided to WMP and the evidence available from official reports. The Dutch police told us one Palestinian flag had been pulled down. In official Dutch reports, there are three recorded incidents involving flags. I believe it would have been more appropriate to have accurately specified these three incidents, given their inflammatory nature.
6. “[The 500–600 Maccabi fans] committing… serious assaults on Muslim taxi drivers”
This overstates the evidence. One of the official Dutch reports contains a reference to a single report of an assault on one taxi driver. Other taxi cars and motor scooters were attacked and damaged, but it is unclear if they were occupied at the time.
7. “[The 500–600 Maccabi fans] throwing innocent members of the public into the river”
This is inaccurate. The Dutch police told us that one Maccabi Tel Aviv supporter was thrown into a canal, apparently by members of a pro-Palestinian group. The official Dutch reports, which were assessed by WMP, confirm this.
8. “Several [Dutch police] officers were injured during the sustained confrontation”
This also overstates the evidence. The Dutch police told us that one officer had sustained hearing loss during the disorder. This is supported by the official Dutch reports that we were told WMP assessed in its planning.
Also, the 10 October 2025 letter from the WMP gold commander to the Chair of the SAG refers to Maccabi Tel Aviv fans at the Ajax fixture “setting fire to Palestinian flags”. From our interview with the Dutch police, and from a letter from the Mayor of Amsterdam to the city’s municipal authority, we understand that there was only one report of a person attempting to set fire to a single Palestinian flag.
I do not seek to downplay the level of disorder that the Dutch police experienced at the Ajax fixture. However, I am of the opinion that in its written communication, WMP portrayed the level of disorder at that fixture, and the part played by Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters, as greater than it really was. My conclusion is similar to that of Lord Mann, who in his evidence to the Home Affairs Committee on 1 December 2025 said that the problem in Amsterdam had been “greatly exaggerated”.
Regardless of any misunderstanding about what the Dutch police said, I have concluded that WMP overstated the extent to which the disorder at that fixture was attributable to the Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters.
All of this leads me to conclude that confirmation bias, in relation to the behaviour of the Maccabi Tel Aviv fans, played a part in the way WMP reached its preferred tactical option, and the strength with which it presented it to the SAG. In effect, the emphasis with which the force made the case gave the SAG members little or no option but to accept that reducing to zero the ticket allocation for away fans was the only viable course of action to protect the public.

I take it you can back your claims with actual facts and links to credible sources rather than a quick google like WM police?

How do you feel about police decisions being dictated by a group who threatened armed violence if their demands were not met?

Absolutely agree

but there were real reasons they were putting that case together in the first place.

Yes, those reasons were that the Muslim community leaders threatened armed violence if the Maccabi fans were not banned. Just reported on the news.

Thank you for this. Absolutely shocking

Still people making excuses for the baying mob mentality, which was the real problem here. No surprises there.

The Chief Constable made his decision because of pressure from Birmingham residents.
Like you , he had not properly researched the facts.
He was led by “confirmation bias” into only selecting information that supported his bias.
We cannot allow the police to behave in that way.

Yes - Thats where the “threat” was coming from.

i have no beef with anyone not wanting riots on their streets.

I have massive beef with a police force making up stories about a group of people in order to keep them away from those streets.

You have to justify decisions like this, with honest reasons. Not just "oh a load of residents said they'd cause trouble if we let them come"

Any Brummie supporting the police decision belongs to an obvious partisan group.

It's weak as well as dishonest policing.

The performance of the Chief Constable at the select committee was woeful. God knows what went on here and whether he's just taking the hit for people under him who did a shite job but oh my lord, watching him is toe curling.

The one Dame owned him with her conduct.

There's another thread about this - regarding the use of AI to generate the reports that contained hallucinated information (i.e fiction) and the denial of the Police in using AI to write it.

He lied because he knew that there was intelligence that Islamic were planning an attack on Jews. So he kowtowed to them and banned the Jews from attending.
Hes the chief constable of West midlands police FFS
How in the name of Jesus christ have we come to this?