To wonder if past trauma was a factor in the Renee Nicole Good murder and that, while not absolving agent, it shows ICE should select agents more carefully?

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Reading this from the BBC, I wonder if the agent was suffering from previous trauma. They had earlier been in the Iraq War and then had huge number of stitches after being dragged by a car while arresting apparently a 'child sex offender' illicit migrant last March.

Thus I wonder if, because Renee Good clipped them with the car earlier(as The Times indicates), shooting at her car as she drove past was less a rational decision borne from evil and more an instinctive reaction from recent trauma with cars on the job?

This is NOT an excuse. But I wonder if it also shows that ICE are selecting traumatised agents who are too dangerous, due to this, to be in that position?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

What do you think from reading this thread?

What does that mean, "semantics over logic", eh?

How did you get there though? The methods don't seem to work do they, maybe try something less confrontational .

It’s not rocket science. You’re making out we in the UK do have some kind of idea what it’s like living somewhere with guns and fentanyl and cartels; and therefore we can give advice on how to deal with them. I’m asking you why you think we’re in a position to do so from your own experience?

You could argue that it is very risky to annoy fragile men with guns, yes.

But that's not what matters. The question which matters is "was shooting her three times a reasonable and proportionate act?"

The ballot box is only any use in a democracy. The US system is completely skewed; with gerrymandering, voter suppression in blue areas of red states, outright fraud, billionaires buying politicians etc.

Sort out all that (including overturning Citizens United) and then come back and suggest that things be resolved through the ballot box.

Last saw a gun being carried, 2025.
I don't think I've seen anyone off their face on fentanyl, crack is the drug of choice around here. It's advisable to take care in public toilets.

I don't live in a 1950s Enid Blyton idyll though.

Just excuses for leftist violence. The
Democrats lost. Their positions are not popular, but you refuse to accept that reality. You think you know better than the actual voting public.

I would LOVE to hear about you seeing this gun?

I take it you disapprove of the odd coalitions formed to ‘keep the right out’ in continental Europe too? As you’re very concerned with proper democracy?

So you are British but take a contrarian stance on European Leaders trying to limit the rise of the far right in Europe- yeah right!

You seem to think it’s absolutely impossible that any fellow Brit can disagree with you on anything? And therefore must be an American in disguise?

I'm not going to derail this thread any further but just want to answer your points.

I am happy to debate with fellow Brits.
I don't think you are American.
I have no wish to discuss this further with you.

Where did I post the Brits and Europeans should advise them on resolving their issues- precisely nowhere on this thread or any other! I was referencing the shock from us at this giddy, unaccountable and aggressive right wing behaviour. We thought we were allies, Denmark lost more soldiers (proportionality) than any other ally in Iraq and fought alongside the U.S. in Afghanistan, why are the U.S. dismissing that relationship and trying to own Greenland? This is what we are aghast at, it is culturally shocking except for you the Maga Brit!

Again, you have answered a question I didn't ask.

I've mostly been worried about my sons Internet usage but there's not much I can do at this point as SS won't listen. I was skeptical when he gave his take. But the bride comment from my daughter shocked me

'generous welfare, virtually zero personal responsibility, everything is the fault of the state'

• there are obviously issues with the welfare system, but this is a huge overstatement.

I agree Britain is very safe comparatively. We do have higher rates of violent crime than Europe though.

Excuses for what 'leftist violence'?

There is never a justification for violence over election fraud. It doesn't mean necessarily that there aren't genuine issues with voting though.

In comparison to which countries in Europe?

Your agenda is clear.

America is at a tipping point. ICE is running amok and has been mobilised against citizens, let alone immigrants. There have been clear orders by the government that violence is acceptable. There is endless footage making this abundantly clear. They’re not trying to hide it.

Not making their jobs easy? I should fucking hope not.

People documenting and protesting this is imperative to, quite frankly, preventing full tyranny and you must know this, which leads me to say again, your agenda is clear.

The only violence in Minnesota (or Portland, or Chicago...) has come from the ICE thugs in masks.

Original artwork by Nikkolas Smith
www.nikkolas.art/prints/portland-frog

Any examples you've got in mind?

The examples are horrifying and endless. Yesterday, among many, was one where a SEN school teacher had her car rammed by ICE on her way into the school. She was taken by them. Horrified bystanders and staff filmed the incident.

Others show teenagers, one a citizen, abducted from their workplace and thrown out of the car ten minutes away sobbing.

An autistic woman taken out of her car and carried face down by the arms and legs, screaming.

News now of a 21 year old being blinded after being shot in the face.

Their positions are not popular
Indeed, donald did win the popular vote. Of course, that doesn’t mean the voting public necessarily knows what’s best. Plenty of dictators and brutal, corrupt leaders were voted in democratically. In any case his approval has dropped significantly since the start of his second term.