To wonder if past trauma was a factor in the Renee Nicole Good murder and that, while not absolving agent, it shows ICE should select agents more carefully?

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Reading this from the BBC, I wonder if the agent was suffering from previous trauma. They had earlier been in the Iraq War and then had huge number of stitches after being dragged by a car while arresting apparently a 'child sex offender' illicit migrant last March.

Thus I wonder if, because Renee Good clipped them with the car earlier(as The Times indicates), shooting at her car as she drove past was less a rational decision borne from evil and more an instinctive reaction from recent trauma with cars on the job?

This is NOT an excuse. But I wonder if it also shows that ICE are selecting traumatised agents who are too dangerous, due to this, to be in that position?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

'Strange' how? She is trying to obstuct officers.

Of course it was a tragedy, I've never suggested it was anything else. A preventable incident. Follow instructions, don't act in a way that can be perceived as a threat.

Choosing to upholstery a gun and execute someone is not just an accident.

The only thing that could have prevented this was for him to make a different choice.

This tragedy was no accidents.

"Follow instructions" otherwise you will be shot- that is a strange and worrying way to think about law and order.

It says "US citizens"

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"Of course it was a tragedy, I've never suggested it was anything else. A preventable incident."

Of course it was preventable. Murder usually is.

Supervision by the authorities is a bit different from being released to Mexico...

I think I remember from a previous convo that pp lives in SE Asia, China I think? Citizens are certainly usually obedient to police there.

They were released from prison, what's
the point of keeping him on the streets? Just deport him instead of risking the safety of others.

You missed the rest of the sentence 'don't act in a way perceived to a threat'.

I know, I don't think this 'supervised release policy' sounds good at all. Should be kept in jail.

I lived in China for a long time, yes. But tbh, the protestors are ignoring the democratic process by interfering with ICE activities.

I voted for Trump. Congress voted to fund ICE. Who voted for these people to disrupt and hijack the democratic process?

Instead of these aggressive tactics, they could just protest federal buildings instead

I agree with the ICE deportations, if not their tactics and the overreach where legal citizens were targeted.

And I agree people shouldn't be blocking traffic etc

But does that mean that ICE agent made the right decision by shooting Renee Good?

But you live in the UK now-This is what you have posted previously unless bollox. I just find it jaw dropping of that's the case as your views are so extreme to the average Brit and European.

But does that mean that ICE agent made the right decision by shooting Renee Good?

Well I obviously don’t think it was a good outcome but I do think it was inevitable once she darted forward.

Well I’m not European. Of course I’m going to have a different perspective. From my POV, Europeans are good people (in general) but very, very naive

Yes but the world is aghast and I feel sorry for normal Americans.

She wasn't obstructing the road, she was trying to get through.

Can I ask if you live in the US at the moment? I understand if you'd rather not say.

Recent polls show there is very little support for Trump's ICE. The latest YouGov poll showed that only 34% of Americans believe ICE is making their country safer.

50% of those polled thought JR was not justified in the shooting of Renee, and 20% were unsure.

Only 21% believe the federal government should investigate alone, with most believing it should be a joint investigation with local LE.

Support for Vance is plummeting.

The far-right have less support than you think they do. Shouting we voted for this means nothing. I doubt the majority of citizens would have voted for an armed militia to parade their streets.

What issues do you think Europeans are 'very, very naive' about?

For several issues, I can think of reasons they work in Europe but not the US, it's not that Europeans are naive imo but more that they're operating in a different context.

Gun laws work because there are less guns around to begin with as they were restricted earlier. The US has a very different situation with those.

The Portuguese drug strategy works because they weren't primarily trying to combat fentanyl, and there were detox programs put in place. Compare that to California's experiment where they were essentially enabling people to take drugs rather than help them get off.

Sex education works because mores are different and generally less religious. In states that do abstinence only education, the effects do not seem to have been very good, since red states tend to have higher teen pregnancy rates. Yet I understand why they do it, since conservative evangelical parents presumably generally oppose other kinds of sex education in those states.

Yes, we naively thought that we'd seen the end of fascism in 1945. Evidently not.

It's more about the difference in outlook, people don't tend to think of everyone and everything as someone or something to compete with. Acquisition is not the main goal in life, living a fulfilling life is.

Hmm..that's a bit harsh. Not all Americans are obsessed with acquisition etc. Depends a lot on area probably.

I agree re Europeans being naive. We are the most cosseted, insulated countries on Earth trying to earnestly lecture everyone else on how to approach their (terrifying) problems ‘gently’

No I meant as in current political ideology. I don't think they would be insulted.