To wonder if past trauma was a factor in the Renee Nicole Good murder and that, while not absolving agent, it shows ICE should select agents more carefully?

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Reading this from the BBC, I wonder if the agent was suffering from previous trauma. They had earlier been in the Iraq War and then had huge number of stitches after being dragged by a car while arresting apparently a 'child sex offender' illicit migrant last March.

Thus I wonder if, because Renee Good clipped them with the car earlier(as The Times indicates), shooting at her car as she drove past was less a rational decision borne from evil and more an instinctive reaction from recent trauma with cars on the job?

This is NOT an excuse. But I wonder if it also shows that ICE are selecting traumatised agents who are too dangerous, due to this, to be in that position?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

Is there any indication that when she was driving away she was trying to drive at his colleagues?

Can you link?

The SUV reversed briefly (wheels pointed left), then moved forward slowly while the front wheels turned sharply right (away from Ross, who was positioned to the left/front-left).
Good actively turned the steering wheel right (away from him) just over 1 second before the first shot.
3D reconstructions and synced footage confirm the vehicle's trajectory was turning away from Ross when he fired three shots at close range (through the windshield and side). The car passed him without clear contact (he remained upright and stepped aside), and it only accelerated fully after the shots, crashing into a parked car.

Given that the face is part of the head, can't they both be true?

If anyone else hasn't seen the footage of the 17 year old US citizen when he was found miles from where he was abducted, they really should watch it. It should break the heart of any parent.

Yes. He was the one that walked unnecessarily in front of the car, but also managed to saunter away without any sign of injury afterwards. After he called her a fucking bitch, of course and then left the scene of the shooting soon afterwards. In fact, the only person that made the car into a dangerous weapon was him, when he shot her in the face and it drove down the street out of control. It’s lucky that other people weren’t injured. Although, I suspect, that would’ve been a bonus to him.

I think the implication is that the face means he was directly in front of her which he wasn't.

I suppose it depends whether, after the first shot, she was still able to turn her head to look at him as he moved around to the side of the car to fire his final two shot shots into the driver side window.

I have seen a number of extremely upsetting videos of teenagers who have been beaten up by ICE, driven to other locations and thrown onto the road. Sometimes citizens who were not given the chance to confirm that fact. Not that it would have been appropriate regardless. Others are screaming teens filming their parents being thrown to the ground and kneeled on and cuffed. There are countless.

I've also seen a video of ICE shoving a bunch of school kids in MN. No lawful grounds for doing so, of course. Happily one of the thugs ended up munching snow (I hope that it was yellow). It seems that these idiots are neither equipped for, or used to walking in icy conditions.

Are there any videos or documentation of ICE dealing with actually dangerous criminals? Or of protestors attacking them?

People keep referring to how dangerous their job is, but I've yet to see any evidence of this being linked to.

I've seen plenty of ICE attacking and threatening protestors or of them piling on teenagers and working-class people, firing tear gas at and around teenagers and children, but only one where ICE had to deal with an actual criminal, and in that case, they called on local enforcement to make the arrest.

Looking in from the outside, it's almost as if the US requires a heavily armed militia to arrest unarmed parents and teenagers.

Quote: "Are there any videos or documentation of ICE dealing with actually dangerous criminals? Or of protestors attacking them?"

Very unlikely. Because as I have pointed out since someone posted a "list" on the previous thread about the murderers and rapists captured, ICE are not arresting these criminals on the street, they are gathering them from jails, where they are already incarcerated for their crimes and ICE ARE SETTING THEM FREE, at the border.

This CNN article from Aug last year.

ICE follows starkly different playbooks in how it’s arresting immigrants in red and blue states, data shows | CNN

So, different tactics in red and blue states, and from the article:

"In states that voted for President Donald Trump, ICE agents are far more likely to arrest immigrants directly from prisons and jails, a CNN analysis of data from the agency found."

" In Democratic-leaning states, by contrast, ICE is frequently arresting immigrants from worksites, streets and mass roundups that have sparked protests and intense backlash in cities such as Los Angeles. Most of those arrested don’t have any criminal record."

So yeah. This bit - arrest immigrants directly from prisons and jails

And that makes sense. Because they need the headline criminals for their Trump propaganda. And sorry for the caps here, but : REMEMBER, ICE ARE NOT AN INVESTAGATIVE LAW AGENCY.

When ICE turn up in an area, within a week the Trump admin are publishing lists. "LOOK AT THE CRIMINALS WE CAPRURED AND DEPORTED".

Come on, ICE are not turning up, investigating murders and rapes, getting convictions and then deporting criminals WITHIN WEEKS.

ICE are piggy backing off real cops. The locals, and feds who are out every day, investigating, arresting, getting convictions, dealing with victims and the community, and getting the deportations orders for when the criminals finish their sentence.

When ICE want criminals for their propaganda, they just pick them from jails.

So no, there will not be many vids, if any, of ICE arresting violent criminals. Because it' the regular cops who do that bit, YEARS BEFORE ICE TURN UP.

To add to my post above about how ICE are targeting, Trump said this in June last year:

“Our great Farmers and people in the Hotel and Leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, long time workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace,” he wrote. “In many cases the Criminals allowed into our Country by the VERY Stupid Biden Open Borders Policy are applying for those jobs. This is not good. We must protect our Farmers, but get the CRIMINALS OUT OF THE USA. Changes are coming!”

Yup. Of course. Farmers complained that they can't bring the crops in. So Trump himself decreed, no farms, and hotels.

But the problem is, targets. Quote " ....would target at least 3,000 arrests a day, up from about 650 a day during the first five months of Trump’s second term."

So yeah, they found they can't remove all the undocumented workers because agriculture and leisure will collapse. So hey, lets use ICE to intimidate blue States. And they can get the headline crims and make headlines from harvesting from jails.

So Trump is sending his ICE goons into Blue cities, demanding they meet his targets, but at the same time, placed farms and hotels out of bounds. He has also added meat packers to out of bounds.

A recipe for disaster.

Source for quotes above : Trump pauses ICE arrests at farms, hotels and other key industries | AP News

Yes. He’s also threatening to hold back federal funds from sanctuary states unless they fall in line.

So because red states actually cooperate with ICE, they will hand over people who have finished their sentence and only detain them a few more days for ICE to pick them up.

A lot of blue cities refuse to comply with these requests and will release actually dangerous people into the streets (cases where they’ve actually murdered people after ignoring these requests)

I also wonder if you are misinterpreting the ‘picked up from jail practice’ they are actually transferred to ICE custody after they serve their sentence and were just being held a further few days until the transfer takes place.

After all, your linked article writes this:

In 2024, under President Joe Biden – whose administration said it was prioritizing arresting and deporting undocumented immigrants with criminal records – about 62% of ICE arrests were from prisons and jails, while 27% were in the community, the data shows

Tbh someone like me would just say we need to pick up the pace on worksite raids in red states (and yes, I know Republicans are soft on this issue, and we need to redouble our efforts here to make sure our own elected officials follow through with campaign promises)

A lot of blue cities refuse to comply with these requests and will release actually dangerous people into the streets (cases where they’ve actually murdered people after ignoring these requests)

• That's terrible. Can you link to these cases?

. Agent may have been clipped or nearly hit — some reports say this, others say the video doesn’t clearly show it.
Mere contact or movement toward him does not automatically make a shooting justified — the legal standard focuses on reasonable belief of imminent threat.
Federal use‑of‑force policy generally discourages shooting at moving vehicles unless there’s a clear unavoidable threat and no safer alternative like stepping aside.

Was it a split second decision to fire three times though?

Why did he stop her in the first place? He didn't think she was an illegal immigrant, so why did he approach her to begin with?

The footage doesn’t conclusively show “straight at him” intent or trajectory.
Some angles suggest she was steering away from the agent, even though motion was in his general direction.Some outlets reported video might show contact or near‑contact; others show the agent firing while already clear of the SUV’s path. When frame‑by‑frame analyses are synced, the direction and threat perception become less clear.

Good likely didn’t wait for her wife because the vehicle was surrounded, the space was tight, and she was under extreme stress. It’s not clear whether this was a calculated decision or a reaction to fear and the chaotic environment — either interpretation is possible, and the video alone doesn’t settle the question.

He was not in front of the car when he shot her, not even shot 1. By shot 3 he was having to almost run after her to take the shot.

If you type it into YouTube

Here’s a few: https://www.heritage.org/border-security/commentary/criminals-take-advantage-sanctuary-policies-illegal-immigrants?utm_source=chatgpt.com

The two that stuck out in my mind would be Kate Steinle and Laken Riley. Both would be alive if illegal aliens were handed over by ICE during their initial contact with law enforcement, and their deaths spurred changes in legislation. Only Laken Riley’s version passed Congress though.

This one was really bad, so many chances to save this woman by deporting her shit boyfriend, but Minnesota (yep, Minnesota) authorities never did:

And still, local municipalities find ways to avoid doing this even though they are legally obliged to hand them over to ICE: x.com/billmelugin_/status/2001699796638183756?s=46&t=LHu5hEVEgoG4lIIfMesJGA

Quote" So because red states actually cooperate with ICE, they will hand over people who have finished their sentence and only detain them a few more days for ICE to pick them up."

No. Its not after they finish their sentence. Its while they are still serving their sentence. I

I looked back to the other thread. And will add to what I posted.

Aldrin Guerro Monez. serving a 32 year sentence for murdering his infant son, who also brutally assaulted another inmate in 2016.

Here is his rap sheet from MN dpt corrections

Details (state.mn.us)

Note the expiry date of his sentence , quote : "Expiration Date:08/06/2036"

And note this -

"Current Status :Under Supervision as of 10/20/2025. Currently with Anoka County Community Corrections (CCA)."

Here is the DHS announcement of his arrest by ICE.

Secretary Noem Highlights Worst of the Worst Arrested in Minneapolis Including a Criminal Illegal Alien Who Murdered His 3-Month-Old Son | Homeland Security (dhs.gov)

Note how he is the top felon listed. Their biggest prize. And see what DHS says:

“Sanctuary politicians like Mayor Jacob Frey, who are refusing to work with ICE are allowing criminals like Aldrin Guerrero-Munoz to live in our communities, unchecked. Under the leadership of President Trump, ICE is no longer allowing the guise of moral superiority and political correctness to supersede the safety and security of Americans,” said Secretary Noem. "

So please @RingoJuice. Explain that.

DHS arrested this guy, and are deporting him. They said " ..are allowing criminals like Aldrin Guerrero-Munoz to live in our communities, unchecked.".

But his MN rap sheet says : "Expiration Date:08/06/2036"

So, unless ICE are intending to hold him for the next ten and a half years, they are setting him free early.

HE WAS IN JAIL AND NOT DUE TO BE REALESED UNTIL 2036. HE WAS TO BE DEPORTED AT THE END OF HIS SENTENCE ANYWAY.

But your ICE heroes took him out of jail, and are setting him free in Mexico.

(Yes, I can back up my claim that he was to be deported at end of sentence, I have link if you need it.

Aint the interweb great Ringo? Very handy for debunking Trumpster BS. What will you post next ? That Anoka County Community Corrections (CCA), is an open prison or a halfway house ? Not at the end of your rabbit hole as you try to excuse ICE shooting a woman in the face 3 times?

WHAT THE FUCK

This guy was on supervised release? I knew Minnesota justice system was crazy, but this is really insane. Literally he was on the streets by what you are posting here.

Just reading about Minnesota’s supervised release program and yeah, it’s insane.

I always think of this case of what happens when the useful idiots get involved thinking that they're some kind of civil rights heroes get involved. They are not Rosa Parks or Martin Luther King but just a useful idiot aiding criminals and not caring about the consequences of their actions.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/victim-slams-passengers-prevented-convicted-rapist-yaqub-ahmed-deported-141035023.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS91cmw_cT1odHRwcyUzQSUyRiUyRnVrLm5ld3MueWFob28uY29tJTJGdmljdGltLXNsYW1zLXBhc3NlbmdlcnMtcHJldmVudGVkLWNvbnZpY3RlZC1yYXBpc3QteWFxdWItYWhtZWQtZGVwb3J0ZWQtMTQxMDM1MDIzLmh0bWwmc2E9VSZ2ZWQ9MmFoVUtFd2o0d2JlMDFJcVNBeFUxcElrRUhYajFLQVVReGZRQktBQjZCQWdQRUFFJnpjY3BtPWVwaSZ1c2c9QU92VmF3M09vOWpoVVpUTXlDcFhLTV9vcFRBUw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFdhBGkpG9SIeDM1u-RiDrEOIMXEVh6sy3-4xLeFaquQoHMU2HCinb1v7As7-ZAhoG9dAHr2SaQl_U6ikELkkiASOd2ByzkcYNMC0XdDcaY8gnRIkkZZY4l3Kqi2euhQ9qd58S9Ul8PYbrFAEky9Ew-xkf2cMB_3V-xjTodNt2TX