To wonder if past trauma was a factor in the Renee Nicole Good murder and that, while not absolving agent, it shows ICE should select agents more carefully?

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Reading this from the BBC, I wonder if the agent was suffering from previous trauma. They had earlier been in the Iraq War and then had huge number of stitches after being dragged by a car while arresting apparently a 'child sex offender' illicit migrant last March.

Thus I wonder if, because Renee Good clipped them with the car earlier(as The Times indicates), shooting at her car as she drove past was less a rational decision borne from evil and more an instinctive reaction from recent trauma with cars on the job?

This is NOT an excuse. But I wonder if it also shows that ICE are selecting traumatised agents who are too dangerous, due to this, to be in that position?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

UK Border Force manage to conduct immigration raids relatively peacefully, without compromising detainees' right to due process.

Nonsense. He strolls around the car calmly just before. If that[s high tension, he should try teaching a physics class to a class of fifteen-year-olds on the last Friday before Christmas 🙄and if he can[t handle a little mid-morning backchat from a pair of suburban moms, he shouldn[t be out on the streets with a gun.

Yep. And they’re not going to be more careful recruiting ICE agents because they’re encouraging these behaviours. Violence has ramped up in Minneapolis since the shooting, not calmed down. They’re emboldened.

There are videos of ICE agents asking women haven’t they learned yet?

Victor Klemperer called

This is so clearly the truth that the vast comments online coming up with every possibility about why it’s OK to shoot a woman in the face make me despair. They’re rife on here too along with pro-Trump rhetoric.

If you are so traumatised you are unable to not shoot people in face or desalted a situation you shouldn’t be in job where you manage people in fraught situations or have access to a gun. It’s not complicated

They drop tear gas canisters outside elementary schools

No they didn’t.

They grab people from day cares

She actually was stopped in her car and then she fled into the daycare (where she worked). She shouldn’t have done that/

They lift teenage US citizens from their work at Target, beat them up and abandon them miles away

Yeah ICE shouldn’t have done that.

Do they even deport anyone? How many do they actually deport each year? Is anyone deterred by them?

I honestly know little about them

To be honest I suspect you know very little about what is actually happening in the US too, you are likely to be consuming very biased news sources, a major problem in the US.

You are correct in that UZk immigration raids are normally peaceful but I would add that they are also normally pointless with very few of those arrested for being illegal migrants ever being deported.

For example a November 2025 immigration raids that led to 171 arrests of delivery riders, only 60 were reportedly facing deportation by December, with the others remaining in the community pending legal reviews.

Our useless Border Force probably give everyone a sarnie and a cup of tea and wave them on their way.

Its also almost four times the number of cops there. Minneapolis has something around 580 cops.

And the Trump admin announced today that they are sending hundreds more ICE.

Yeah much better to err on the side of caution and shoot/intimidate/assault them or at the very least lock them up without due process.

Excuse the smart-arseness, I couldn’t help it :)

Of course it is true.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jan/04/ice-2025-deaths-timeline
Thirty-two people died in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) custody in 2025

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/dec/16/school-principal-ice-raids
Most years, my job is to make sure we have enough copy paper and to observe classes, such as the room I visited on Halloween when a teacher dressed like a Teletubby read aloud to eighth graders from The Tell-Tale Heart.

This year, in the same building: a student who had begun barricading his bedroom door each night, terrified agents would appear; a mom in the hallway whose eyes welled with tears when I asked: “How are you?”, and who said to me: “I’m just so scared.”

https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/11/19/feds-tear-gassed-pepper-sprayed-chicagoans-at-least-49-times-even-after-judge-said-to-stop/
Federal agents have used chemical irritants at least 30 times since a judge placed restrictions on their use of tear gas and pepper spray. Contrary to federal claims about attacks on agents, most of these incidents appear to involve nonviolent protesters or bystanders.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/08/after-border-patrol-clash-at-roosevelt-minneapolis-schools-cancel-classes
And then they started coming on the property of the school and pushing people and tackling people and shooting pepper spray and pepper balls. And they handcuffed two of our employees.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/who-is-jonathan-garcia-alleged-ice-arrest-of-17-year-old-us-citizen-in-minnesota-sparks-fury-elon-musk-responds-101768263103791.html
In Minneapolis, MN, 17 year-old Target employee Jonathan Aguilar Garcia, a U.S. citizen, was taken by CBP while on the job because they assumed he was an immigrant. He was later dumped at a nearby Walmart parking lot crying and bleeding when they realized he really was a citizen

https://time.com/7339923/immigration-citizenship-ceremony-green-card/
Breslow emphasizes that the people whose ceremonies are canceled have already been accepted for citizenship—the ceremony is supposed to be a formality.

Just the tip of the iceberg.

Which bit about illegal immigration don't you understand is illegal, they are breaking the law and are in fact criminals?

A pp on another thread did infact post stats to illegals who were rapists and worse too if that helps?

You honestly know little about anything.

No they didn’t.

Yes, they did.

There is a happy medium. Be effective and actually deport people? We send one person out and they're back the next day.

Apparently the administration is struggling to find volunteers for the deployment. It seems that the heavy-handed tactics have backfired and the ICE agents are starting to feel the heat.

Fair enough, but I’d prefer to lean on the British side of the scale personally.

There are such things as due process and civil rights.

Interesting, I hadn't heard of Victor Klemperer but the euphemisms, slogans and bureaucratic phrasing under Nazi rule is what we see from Trump and ICE supporters.

Klemperer says language doesn’t reflect ideology it produces it. Bureaucratic and “reasonable” phrasing is used to anaesthetise moral judgment. When violence is framed as duty, procedure or necessity people might stop asking ethical questions. Repeating these normalising phrases is to make the abnormal feel inevitable and even virtuous.

“It’s just enforcing the law”
“It’s not personal”
“Hard choices have to be made”
“That’s how the system works”
"Actions have consequences"

That is exactly how many MAGAs posts on here.

Is that the "list" of crims captured by ICE that someone posted ?

If so, I was the one who found out that the murderers and rapists listed were already in jail doing time, with deportation orders for when they finished their sentences.

ICE are taking them to the border and setting them free. ICE are commuting their sentences to boost their capture figures and give headline crimes.

Awesome.

Thank you for illustrating my point 🤗

Due process?! What like the due process that illegal immigrants stick to?

I don't know the details but I think due process will be adhered to once in custody. They do have a judicial system in the US.

Maybe our border control could do some work experience in the US and learn how to be effective.