To wonder if past trauma was a factor in the Renee Nicole Good murder and that, while not absolving agent, it shows ICE should select agents more carefully?

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Reading this from the BBC, I wonder if the agent was suffering from previous trauma. They had earlier been in the Iraq War and then had huge number of stitches after being dragged by a car while arresting apparently a 'child sex offender' illicit migrant last March.

Thus I wonder if, because Renee Good clipped them with the car earlier(as The Times indicates), shooting at her car as she drove past was less a rational decision borne from evil and more an instinctive reaction from recent trauma with cars on the job?

This is NOT an excuse. But I wonder if it also shows that ICE are selecting traumatised agents who are too dangerous, due to this, to be in that position?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

The heavy-handed, masked thugs are the ones creating a hostile environment. If they "got the fuck out of Minneapolis" then the people could get on with their lives in peace.

The car was not "driving straight towards him". The wheels were turned hard to the right before it started moving forward. He drew his gun when it was moving backwards, he had plenty of opportunity to move clear.

He'll probably try and invoke the insurrection act. The city will then have it struck down in court, just like in LA, Chicago, Portland...

ICE are in red states too. They are in my home city. The difference is that in these cases the local PD cooperates with ICE so you don’t hear anything about it.

Yup. He sure is.

If anyone does not meet his undefined idea of what citizenship is, he want's them gone.

Trump says he is considering revoking Rosie O'Donnell's U.S. citizenship - CBS News

To not bow at the emperors feet is a Cardinal sin in MAGA land. In fact, even cardinals are not immune. His spat with the late Pope Francis.

A brief history of Trump's feud with Pope Francis : Live updates: Pope Francis, a towering figure on the world stage, dies at 88 : NPR

From the Pope one, we get this gem:

"Trump — who aggressively courted evangelical Christian leaders and voters during his campaign — fired back immediately, saying, "for a religious leader to question a person's faith is disgraceful."

"If and when the Vatican is attacked by ISIS, which as everyone knows is ISIS's ultimate trophy, I can promise you that the Pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump would have been President because this would not have happened," he added."

And the Anglican woman Bishop who done the inauguration service. MAGA demanded she be deported. Although she was born in NJ.

No, watch the video. He pulls his gun as the car is moving forward towards him. She reverses, then he comes into frame and her wheels briefly straighten and she moves forward, and when he sees the car move forward towards him, he pulls his gun.

Its seems extremely likely that her intention was to drive away. But that is us sitting here calmly watching videos in our living rooms with nothing threatening us. He is in a situation of high tension, been opposed by people who spout the sort of rhetoric and abuse we have seen on this thread about ICE agents, there is a lot of shouting and raised emotion, the driver has repeatedly refused an order to stop and get out of the car and has also failed to open the car door to her wife who is trying to get in ( which you'd expect her to do if they were just going home now), and has now turned her car towards him and accelerated. That's the situation he is making a split second decision in.

Its seems extremely likely that her intention was to drive away

I’m not even sure of that anymore because the wife was attempting to open the door at the side when Renee backed up and then darted forward.

She was surrounded on three sides by people, one of whom was her wife. What the hell was she thinking?

As opposed to your contributions? 😂You might Netmums

‘Well you're white. You wouldn't be fun anyway.’
Sounds KKK like.

It’s an interesting irony how MAGA posters try to sound calm, reasoned and rational, talking about the inevitability of state control, the moral necessity of state violence and natural 'consequences' (death) for irrational dissenters, while their antagonism is only thinly veiled.

An ICE gunman, swanning around like the Gestapo abducting people off the streets, murders a woman and this is the question you ask?

They are arresting illegal immigrants and deporting them, which is the job they have been hired to do, which was the result of a democratic process: the electorate voted for Trump; Congress voted for ICE funding.

It's woke to fret over the past trauma of others isnt it OP? MAGA doesn't believe in that kind of thing, too empathetic, more wokeness. However if you're investigating your own propensity for understanding the motivation of the career psychopaths currently employed by ICE I suggest you start with a history of 1930s Europe and subsequent developments. Given your previous comments I expect you will thoroughly enjoy it.

Are people declaring themselves MAGA supporters on this thread?

Or are people lazily assuming anyone who has a different view from them must be a MAGA supporter?

Perhaps some have internally derided me as a MAGA supporter despite the fact I am not American and couldn't give the hairy crack of a rat's arse whether America is great or not.

Not in the same numbers. 2,000 ICE officers were sent to Minneapolis. That's 10% of their entire manpower, all concentrated on one city.

Such neat, detached, reasoned, dutiful and irrefutable framing of controversial actions and policies. ICE are only following orders it's just a job. CE arrests and deports people. That is their assigned job. Their job reflects decisions made democratically. Therefore ICE actions are justified and reasonable.

Sounds reasonable, right? Every word is carefully chosen to normalise actions that would otherwise seem shocking, hiding human suffering and trauma, violence and coercion, moral controversy and ultimately accountability.

Well put!

No, you watch the videos. In fact, watch this analysis by a former NYPD Lieutenant with experience of conducting investigations into police shootings.

He sees her turning the steering wheel hard to the right. He completely disregarded the established best practice for a traffic stop. In fact there needn't have been any interaction in the first place, ICE could simply have driven on by. This was murder.

Their reputation precedes them though. I saw a video of a 17 year old boy who worked at a shop named, Target, he was battered and crying and clearly traumatised, it was just so unnecessarily violent, it was so sad to hear him and he was so vulnerable. What nasty people, morally repugnant, how anyone can justify this I don't know! Completely heartless!

RingoJuice has been pretty explicit that she voted for Trump and would vote for Vance in 2028.

Sounds reasonable, right? Every word is carefully chosen to normalise actions that would otherwise seem shocking, hiding human suffering and trauma, violence and coercion, moral controversy and ultimately accountability

Deportation is normal.

If you don’t leave after you’ve been given a deportation order, then the consequences are on you.

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I can't keep up with the thread but has Justine Damonds killing been mentioned yet?

They are harassing people who are in the US perfectly legally. Their tactics are unnecessarily heavy handed. They drop tear gas canisters outside elementary schools. They grab people from day cares. They lift teenage US citizens from their work at Target, beat them up and abandon them miles away. There have been more than thirty deaths involving ICE in the last year.

This dreadful, I hope it isn't true

UK Border Force manage to conduct immigration raids relatively peacefully, without compromising detainees' right to due process.