To wonder if past trauma was a factor in the Renee Nicole Good murder and that, while not absolving agent, it shows ICE should select agents more carefully?

[Carla786]

Reading this from the BBC, I wonder if the agent was suffering from previous trauma. They had earlier been in the Iraq War and then had huge number of stitches after being dragged by a car while arresting apparently a 'child sex offender' illicit migrant last March.

Thus I wonder if, because Renee Good clipped them with the car earlier(as The Times indicates), shooting at her car as she drove past was less a rational decision borne from evil and more an instinctive reaction from recent trauma with cars on the job?

This is NOT an excuse. But I wonder if it also shows that ICE are selecting traumatised agents who are too dangerous, due to this, to be in that position?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

You didn't. Because it wasn't misinformation. There were many witnesses.

https://www.ems1.com/ambulance-access-delayed-amid-fatal-ice-shooting-response-in-minneapolis-witnesses-say

Heller estimated it took “about 15 minutes” for EMS to arrive and said the delay was because vehicles were blocking the street. She told NBC News that when responders were finally able to get through, they came in on foot.

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Aidan Perzana, 31, whose home faces the street where the shooting occurred, also described federal vehicles blocking access for ambulances. Perzana told NBC News that an ambulance arrived “around 10 minutes later,” but he said it could not reach the vehicle because ICE vehicles were in the roadway. “They were parked all askew, blocking traffic,” said Perzana. “They didn’t clear the way for the ambulance, so some people approached on foot.”

You are correct if someone say collapses on the street and then someone comes up saying "I'm a doctor " then it's unlikely medical credentials would be checked.

However when there is the police or Fire involved or ICE officers then they absolutely would need to check the person's medical credentials. Otherwise it could be any unqualified person coming up, making things worse and contaminating a potential crime scene. And to add if the police or ICE did let an unqualified person through then they would be liable.

Well given it took 6 minutes for the EMS team to arrive, Heller's estimate of 15 minutes is quite a way off, so I would also be questioning the bias in the rest of Heller's "eye witness account ".

What's the source for the 6-minute EMS arrival time?

Bull. Shit.

Show me the policy of any law enforcement organisation in the world who says that.

It’s always possible for past trauma contribute to future violence if not properly addressed. But in addition to his experiences in the military, this agent had already shown unsafe behavior around vehicles and suffered the consequences 6 months ago he was reaching into a suspect’s car when it accelerated and dragged him 100 yards. He was lucky to get away with 50 stitches. So in one 6 month period he managed to do both things all law enforcement are explicitly trained not to do — reach into a running vehicle and standing in front of one.

Re other law enforcements protecting him, other law enforcements do seem to be a factor here.

So you have a fed flying squad of thousands of immigration officers, that the admin appear to be using in an aggressive way against dem states.

These immigration officers are, on appearances, cruising about in multiple unmarked trucks, decked out with more guns than soldiers in a war zone, no standard uniform, and their presence and methods are being protested against.

Groups of protestors, share where ICE are spotted and head out to disrupt them. Block the roads, drive a hundred yard further on, repeat.

It seems to me, the usual thing for immigration officers to do when being hindered by protestors, should be to call the regular local Police. They are the ones with full power of the law. They are the ones supposed to know the law, they have marked police cars, uniforms that identify them, the power of arrest for obstruction etc, and local cop shops to process, and hold if required.

But ICE did not have the LEOs for assistance here. I don't know if the LEOs said "nah", the local cop boss/Mayor told them not to assist, or if ICE even asked for assistance.

So a game of cat and mouse ensued between ICE and the protestors, one ICE lost his rag, and appears to have manufactured a scenario where he could shoot dead a demonstrator.

I am surprised the ICE defenders are not blaming local LEO. But that will come soon enough.

ICE should be working with local law, but appear to be working separate to them, against them even. And this does not make sense. Because its LEO who know who the crooks are.

The last bit also explains why ICE are arresting the convicts already in jail, then deporting them, as free people. Because it makes up the numbers, and gets criminal names to post to the press,

Ater all, cruising the street in full combat garb, randomly stopping " brown people", is not intelligence based police work. And I can see how LEO would be pissed off. Possibly months of work on cases being destroyed.

Further to my post above re ICE and LEO, of course, Trump is ramping up his flying squad of goons.

Hundreds more officers heading to Minnesota amid nationwide protests over ICE killing of mother-of-three Renee Good | US News | Sky News

Imagine what it's like for a local Mayor and Police. They might be doing real work at improving community policing after BLM etc, working hard to reduce/solve crime, to built trust with the residents, and in comes the TEMU warriors, where adherence to ideology supersedes all. Where the target is the law abiding building contractor who does not have the documents.

@RedTagAlan

Of course the local police departments should assist, but the police chiefs are appointed by the local government, so a conflict of interest arises (alternatively you could say that they are in alignment with the local voting population, but you can see how this undermines their independence)

https://www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2025/12/09/trump-minneapolis-sanctuary-cities-mayors-ice-immigration-somali

I can say in my home city that ICE are active but they get the full cooperation of the local PD, who know where the illegals live and work. So you’ll not hear much about that because everyone is working together

Quote " ....(alternatively you could say that they are in alignment with the local voting population, but you can see how this undermines their independence)"

In other words, the electorate vote for something, and now you are suggesting that this concept is wrong, because of who the electorate are ? But in other posts you say the electorate voted for ICE, so suck it up.

So much for States rights eh. And federal overreach of course.

I can't open Axios sorry, so can't comment on the article.

Immigration law is handled by the federal government, however, so their feelings on the matter are irrelevant here.

Besides, weren’t you just lamenting about their lack of assistance and support for ICE?

Contaminating a crime scene like, say, ICE driving away within a few minutes before the scene was properly recorded?

I am not lamenting anything. I am just trying to figure it all out. Eg, why did ICE not just call the LEO for assistance.

Anyway , states rights and what the electorate vote for don't matter now ? Potential Federal overreach only applies when repubs complain about it ?

Is this the handbook you use to learn political debate ?

Separation of powers means that certain responsibilities are with local governments and certain others are with federal government.

Immigration is one of those that are clearly defined as federal. So while city governments can maybe refuse to assist, or slow walk certain things, they certainly cannot actively obstruct.

'Probably to prevent social media posting"
'That's the most stupid excuse I've heard, and there's some stiff competition on this thread.'

You obviously are oblivious fo all the vultures who do indeed love to take snaps of horrific incidents and post for the clicks? It's all over social media. Of course they aren't going to give access to any Tom Dick or Harry professing to be an expert.
Medics arrived within minutes.

'Flying squad of goons'? You mean immigration and customs enforcers desperately needed in Minnesota?!

'Imagine what it's like for a local Mayor'

Oh the poor mayor. Who gives a shit about that prat. They need to deport criminals not tell people trying to do their job to 'get the fuck out'.

Ok.

And were the local cops obstructing ? To me, if you have ICE dealing with civvie protestors they can't handle, they should be calling the local cops for help. But that appears not to have happened.

So the guy says I'm a medic and the ICE team go thank god, this is clearly an emergency, can you just show us any credentials. Right?

It does happen like that and the activists STILL complained about it. They just don’t want the local PD to help at all, even with such simple requests as crowd control.

www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2025/06/04/minneapolis-police-ice-federal-raid?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=sendto_localnewslettertest&stream=top

I rather think the mayor phrased it beautifully and succinctly with perfect delivery👏 Great to see that some US politicians have integrity and a moral compass. There is hope.

You don't think his silly speech might have inflamed an already volatile situation? Imagine if he was trying to do something and his local plods went on telly to tell him to stfu. It's not helpful is it. He should be working with other enforcement forces not showing off.

I do think his speech was inflammatory; however, in light of Trump et al branding one of their citizens a domestic terrorist within an hour of her death, when they cannot possibly have had the time to do any investigation or collect evidence to prove this, his reaction was understandable. It was the wrong response, but it was understandable. Trump et al have no such excuse.

The comment from both sides should have been the usual spiel of, "We were deeply saddened by the events of today. We will be working with local/federal law enforcement to ensure a full investigation is carried out. We are unable to comment further on ongoing investigations."

Sending in 2000 more ICE agents without addressing any of Minnesota's concerns, or any concerns around the training and supervision of ICE, is, imo, a deliberate attempt to stoke civil unrest.

He should be scaling back until the tensions ease and the issues with ICE have been addressed. He wants riots in MN, that much is clear now.

The " activists".

You do know you are also an activist ? You are showing everyone here. You are a pro Trump activist.

Ice are just thugs This is absolutely disgusting. Listen to this Minneapolis pastor talk about how he was assaulted by ICE!

https://x.com/EdKrassen/status/2010775648227508273

It’s amusing that mild profanity and a decisive public stance so offends the sensitive sensibilities of MAGA supporters, while the brutal, bullying tactics of ICE are rationalised as a necessary means to an end. Perhaps the mayor’s frustration was a natural consequence of the inhumane actions his administration has been witnessing? Surely his decisive 'I run this town' rhetoric should appeal to MAGAs drawn to take-charge, no-nonsense patriarchal authority figures.