To wonder if past trauma was a factor in the Renee Nicole Good murder and that, while not absolving agent, it shows ICE should select agents more carefully?

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Reading this from the BBC, I wonder if the agent was suffering from previous trauma. They had earlier been in the Iraq War and then had huge number of stitches after being dragged by a car while arresting apparently a 'child sex offender' illicit migrant last March.

Thus I wonder if, because Renee Good clipped them with the car earlier(as The Times indicates), shooting at her car as she drove past was less a rational decision borne from evil and more an instinctive reaction from recent trauma with cars on the job?

This is NOT an excuse. But I wonder if it also shows that ICE are selecting traumatised agents who are too dangerous, due to this, to be in that position?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

He killed her because she belittled and emasculated him. He wasn't prepared to let a woman, a lesbian no less, talk down to him. So he shot her in the face and called her a fucking bitch.

It’s difficult because soft, sensitive, left leaning men simply couldn’t do this job. They wouldn’t be able to deal with hardened gangsters and drug lords. They would be too scared to engage them.

So that leaves the tougher, stronger types but they are prone to being trigger happy or too enthusiastic to engage.

Ultimately it’s a totally different landscape to here, where the public have guns, cities are addicted to fentanyl, and vast swathes of cities are controlled by gangs. But you’ll get the well meaning types saying ‘they should do what our police do/our police aren’t aggressive’ etc

I've had to stop reading social media posts about it because it makes me feel so angry and upset. I saw someone compare it to that dress where some people see white and gold and some see black and blue. It's really hard to make yourself see it the way some others do. Whatever new info and different spins I read, to me it's just murder.

Why do you think left leaning men are necessarily soft? Their politics don't necessarily make them soft or kind etc. Look at Mao or Trotsky or Che Guevara, for extreme examples. I certainly don't think the men in Democrats (or Labour!) are necessarily softer or kinder than any other party.

Said as a left-leaning centrist!

On your broader point, I do agree you need tough people but that must not slide into inhumane.

Veterans and soldiers often having high rates of domestic violence and sexual assault on colleagues shows the dangers organisations using them need to balance.

It’s an authoritarian regime. They want ICE to murder citizens as well as non-citizens. It’s a feature, not a bug.

I agree misogyny and probably lesbophobia/homophobia seems likely to be a motive.

I would caution we shouldn't call her lesbian though. She had two long marriages to men, the second tragically ended by his death in 2023 (their little son born in 2019 is now an orphan 😢). It seems unwarranted to assume these were lavender marriages. Far more likely she was bisexual.

I’m afraid that the lesson ICE are learning from this case is that they are effectively immune from prosecution under the Supremacy Clause.

Whatever restraint they’ve managed heretofore, can be disregarded if there are actually no safe guards against brutality, up to and including cold blooded murder, carried out in the course of their duties.

Some aren’t, most are. It’s not surprising people who call themselves very averse to violence/harsh punishment wouldn’t want the task of rounding up dangerous men to be deported. The left wing men I know are all like Kevin from Motherland or bookish types who cycle and argue for trans rights. They’re nothing like Che Guevara.

I think it’s fairly obvious that the temperament of the (mainly) men hired by ICE is not what any civilised government would want from their armed employees.

It’s not about being soft or not. I know a lot of very effeminate right wing men.

Left wing men would say no to this role because they are morally oppose to how badly ICE are behaving obviously and because in general they are opposed to the general aims of ICE There is no mystery here.

Back to OP’s question, I’m sure they are deliberately selecting unhinged men with untreated trauma . These type of men are also in the U.S. police force.

Sadly some people think only knuckle-draggers can be considered 'real men' and that's pretty pathetic.

I've not heard much about this situation at all but my daughter has said something about the woman being killed for being a woman and a leftist / asked me if i thought that the agent was a paedophile who ordered a mail order bride because his wife is south east asian (no idea if this is true but she claims it is). My son on the other hand told me that the woman apparently severely abused her son and said he felt similarly in regards to the officer / ptsd triggers from the past encounter he supposedly had. Strange how different its been recounted

I’m pretty sure most ICE staff haven’t shot someone in the face. There are plenty of “tough” men who are able to control their anger in times of confrontation.

He didn’t like how the interaction went. He was likely feeling frustrated and wanted to show them that he was in power, he did this by ending her life.

He could have shot at the wheels or bonnet. He could have jumper out the way and called for his colleagues or the police to make chase. Instead, he purposely chose to kill her. That isn’t a “strong man” thing to do. That’s an angry man thing to do. I’m confident his anger spills out in other parts of his life too, aka he’s likely a complete arsehole.

There are plenty of men who fall in between the two polar opposites of left leaning soft man and right leaning killer.

He should have told them to get on their way, or police would be called. Not shot at her. She wasn’t running him over.

Exactly.

To me, Andrew Tate and similar -and all their followers - are absolutely pathetic misogynists with fragile egos exactly like the ICE agent.

However, in some people’s eyes men of that ilk are “manly” or “strong” because they work out, own guns, are not cultured, don’t cry (unless their sports team wins or loses 😂)or express emotions other than anger.

And are needlessly aggressive especially when shouting down “liberals”and “snowflakes” and “feminists”

No. That's a complete sentence.

A perfect example of why they shouldn’t be recruiting any Todd, Chuck and Hal to be an ICE agent by enticing them with a 50k sign up bonus and an hours training.

Personally I don't think she should have been blocking the road

This is such a bizarre view, honestly. I don’t even know where to start with the soft, sensitive, left leaning men thing.

But training and screening and ongoing support is obviously essential for jobs where you are armed. You don’t just have to hire trigger happy nutters and let them loose.

ICE agents mask their faces, shout and swear, beat people, seem to have little or no training.. and can seemingly summarily execute people in the street with no recourse.

It’s the kind of thing you expect in a Dictatorship, not an alleged democracy.

Dp you think people who block the road should be shot for blocking the road?

No I don't. People who then ignore police/ice and drive into them though a different matter.

I believe it is correct that the man’s wife is an immigrant but the mail order bride thing sounds like bullshit playing on a racist stereotype of South Asian women.
The stuff about the victim having abuse charges is fake. Also not relevant even if true because a) the ICE guy wouldn’t have known that, and b) even if he did, that’s not a reason to kill someone. But as I said, it is fake anyway.

Exactly this. She probably hadn’t dealt with many volatile fragile ego men before - she just assumed her annoying words would be taken S annoying words not death threats, which shows why fragile ego volatile men should not be given a gun. It was his response entirely, she enraged him and he was satisfied when he shot her, not in fear of his life. If someone was driving towards you in their car, shooting them is not going to stop the car from driving at you. All he needed to do in self defence was step away, which is what he did - the shooting was retaliation and revenge pure and simple.

Plus she wasn’t driving at him she was driving away from him but he jumped in front of her car