To wonder if past trauma was a factor in the Renee Nicole Good murder and that, while not absolving agent, it shows ICE should select agents more carefully?

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Reading this from the BBC, I wonder if the agent was suffering from previous trauma. They had earlier been in the Iraq War and then had huge number of stitches after being dragged by a car while arresting apparently a 'child sex offender' illicit migrant last March.

Thus I wonder if, because Renee Good clipped them with the car earlier(as The Times indicates), shooting at her car as she drove past was less a rational decision borne from evil and more an instinctive reaction from recent trauma with cars on the job?

This is NOT an excuse. But I wonder if it also shows that ICE are selecting traumatised agents who are too dangerous, due to this, to be in that position?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

I know. If she had 2 long marriages, the second ended by her husband's death in 2023, before marrying her wife in 2025, it seems more likely she was bisexual.

I agree with you wholeheartedly @OP

I agree mostly but he shot three times, altogether it was more than a split second.

Yes, she also had 2 husbands. Hence bisexual.

Great point : it's a bit like the inquiry into chokeholds use by police after George Floyd.

Otoh we don't know yet so it may not have been protocol.

Yeah i mean he possibly had PTSD and definitely ICE should not have had him working so soon after a traumatic incident.
Hes still a murderer. I'm sure it might be downgraded to manslaughter with the mental health stuff as it possibly wasn't premeditated but an impulsive act.
And when people say he was angry not afraid for his life I totally agree.. but that doesn't mean it wasn't PTSD related as PTSD can often manifest as uncontrollable anger.
Whatever happened there I think anyone defending his behaviour as reasonable is completely deluded. Nothing that man did was reasonable. He had no legal right to order her out of her vehicle as he's not a police officer. He definitely had no right to shoot her dead when he could have just stepped away. She wasn't threatening him she wasn't driving fast.. the whole thing is terrifying abd that he hasnt immediately been condemned and isn't being investigated is horrific.
Terrifying the cultural of MAGA just allowing this unchallenged

I also dont think she was randomly in the area. I do believe she was trying to work out what the ICE agents were doing and to record it or even block it if she could.
This is still no justification for her being shot dead.

I'm sad about the murder, but also disappointed that Americans don't seem to notice that the tide has turned.

The Constitution, human rights, right and wrong, are all debatable now and no longer hold as much sway as they once did.

If people value their lives, and I should hope everyone does, they will steer clear of these provoking confrotations with trigger happy goons who for whatever idiotic reason have been recruited into law enforcement positions.

I'd rather be alive than right.

@atmywitsend1989- wow I hope you picked your daughter up on her disgusting implication that a South East Asian woman= mail order bride.

The 1st reply covers it for me.

And yet the soft, sensitive, left-leaning police officers in the UK, Australia, Canada, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, etc., all manage to do their jobs without resorting to shooting/beating/choking people dead on a regular basis.

Your police are allowed to kill with impunity. Why are you OK with this?

I suspect that the administration are delighted with this killing (that I do believe was a murder).

They specifically want ICE to rough people up, and wanted the military to use Democratic-led cities as training facilities for wartime.

If they can provoke unrest, that will give them their narrative for why they need to cancel, or exert significant control over, the midterm elections.

Violence and political unrest is the aim, here.

@ItWillWash- Are you sure about that? Go ask the first Nations community in Canada how how soft and sensitive the police are.

I thought she was claiming that he did actually marry a mail order bride but I was a little irked when I found out what she meant 😬 We're south Asian not south east asian but I thought I'd already talked about stereotypes ect . Usually it'd be My son who'd make an off colour comment like that . my daughter tends to act like more of the teenage activist type and her best friend was a Filipino girl. I'm not sure where she got that misinformation from

This is exactly what I thought.
I see people saying she tried to run him over so he was justified in killing her and I get angry. It's like they're seeing a totally different video. I've had to stop following it all as I find it so unbelievable, and is making me question my own sanity/judgement. Which is what they want I guess..

If that man has also not abused his immigrant (Filipino) wife I’ll eat my hat.

@atmywitsend1989I think I was being a little salty!. My husband is Malay and I have girls and sisters in law who I feel very protective of. The world is so crazy such Division and assumption and labeling of anything or anyone different or with different views.

No I don't think that had anything to do with it. Not least because he's recording her, switches hands so he can grab his weapon, and then calls her a fucking bitch afterwards.

I also don't actually care. It is a fascist police state that defends the murder of a woman by federal agents when she did nothing wrong.

Exactly, even if she were doing that, do people think that merits death?

I think it is fair to say that some men do still treat some women in poor countries including South Asia like mail order brides. I've had the misfortune to look at the passport bro subreddit & that attitude is sadly alive & well among a minority of men.

Identifying that a man may possibility have followed racist/sexist passport bro ideas ≠ endorsing those ideas themselves and meaning that a younger South East Asian wife must automatically be an exploited passport bro wife.

I don't whether your daughter meant it with that nuance or not though. It's like the difference between acknowledging that a minority of men who date Asian women are motivated by 'submissive Asian' etc stereotypes and generalising that to accuse any man dating an Asian woman of having 'yellow fever', as some online activists do.

Anyway, I don't think wr should be prying into the poor wife's background. I hope she is safe though!

I was reading something on Instagram threads earlier about how and why many Asian women end up married to racist misogynist MAGA white men.

The answers given (mainly by Asian people) were interesting.

The general consensus was that one reason is these MAGA men see their Asian wives as submissive to them. So they are “useful” and “good” immigrants /minorities that should be allowed to stay as opposed to “crazy tattooed lefty feminist immigrants or minorities who challenge the dominance of these men.

But even then, they may throw the threat of deportation about if their wife ever “gets out of line”.

And not even just white men - one Asian woman spoke of having been married to a MAGA supporting Black military man who hated Western women, especially Black women.

Another reason put forward (by some Asian women) was that some of them are happy with racist misogynist men because they share those views. They actively want to be racist towards other minorities stemming from their desire to seek proximity to whiteness and distance themselves from other non-whites eg. Mexicans and Black people.

So I wouldn’t automatically assume this is a “poor wife” situation. She may well be complicit.

Perhaps he was enraged because he didn't intimidate her with his pee-pee. At least two of the shots were fired from the side so it wasn't self defence. It was hatred and rage. I'd like to think he'll be locked away, but he'll probably end up with his own YouTube channel.

DV has been an issue in US police forces for a long time, because of a preference to hire more "macho" types. There are a lot of academic papers and articles to be found on this. Example here :

Police Officer Domestic Violence Is A Crisis. It’s Time for States to Take Action | Scholars Strategy Network

There is a 40% of US cops inflict DV, but that is about 35 years and has been debunked.

40% of Cops Admitted They Abuse Their Partners? | Snopes.com

However, it is an issue, as Snopes indicate,

"One of those studies used an overly vague definition of "violence" that the researcher said could have been interpreted in multiple ways. The other study muddied the issue by including abuse perpetrated by officers' spouses in its data. The percentage of officers in that study who admitted specifically to perpetrating domestic violence was actually 28%."

I found another study, I wont link because don't want to flood the forum, that in the general population DV perps are 16%. So its 16% non cops, 28% cops.

But it's one of these things that are not recorded consistently. The USA does have 40k different Police forces after all. From local town forces with a couple of officers, up to likes of the NYPD. With recruitment pressure, there are many cracks in the system for the bad officers to walk through.

And of course, these 40k forces will feed into the feds. The USA has a LOT of sworn officers. About 1.28 million.

I am making no claims here, I am not an academic. I am just saying that DV in US cops is a known issue.

Wasn't aware of that. Why goad someone in a very tense situation when they are armed. Didn't deserve to be killed though.

He had no legal right to order her out of her vehicle as he's not a police officer

First of all, federal agents DO have the right to arrest and detain for a short time anyone that obstructs their operations.