Ice agent shoots a woman in the face part 3

[Moontan]

Donald Trump has now said its okay to murder a woman. Because they are doing it for people's 'safety'

It is interesting how far humans will let themselves be abused by bad people.

I was watching a documentary about jonestown the cult.

Some people left the cult

They said that the leader beat people, raped people, starved people. He made them do physical labour for many hours a day. He demanded that they give him all of their money.

And yet still hundreds of people followed him.

People seem to keep supporting a person and staying there. Rather than saying "maybe i was wrong and this guy is actually a bad person"

I never accused you of that, i said it in the context of people who think her death is deserved and justify her killer... are the sort who would have made that disgusting Grok image.

it would have even been justified if it was something like a Toyota fiesta. Any road-worthy car has the potential to maim or kill you!

It’s exactly what happened.

in the scenario Trump is feeding his gullible followers.

People are being obtuse now, no one was threatened by the car, the agent stepped stepped out the way, after placing himself in the way of the vehicle, clearly making its way from the Agents.

Which is the course of action US Police officers are told do (if possible) rather than shoot people.

Just an odd association to make. For clarity I don't agree with any photo shopping that is done in an attempt to humiliate. Hope we've cleared that up .

I do understand that sneering and laughing display contempt. I don't think that is what they were doing, but if that's your view on her behaviour, fine, that's a matter of opinion.

But again, so what if she was? Do you believe it adds justification?

They just didn't give a shit that law enforcement officers have a job to do, and their crazy behaviour was obstructing this I imagine they didn't give a shit about ICE's ability to do their job, but again... And?

Vance and Trump have both jeopardised any chance of a non-biased investigation or fair trial. That's not opinion. That is fact. They branded Renee a terrorist without evidence and made false claims that the ICE agent was badly injured and in the hospital. Trump went so far as to claim that he was lucky to survive. And you are OK with that? You are ok with the leader of a country publicly defending, without any evidence or investigation, the shooting of one of his own citizens?

Can you explain your reasoning behind this, because I genuinely cannot even begin to understand how anyone thinks this is OK. Regardless of whether you think he is guilty or innocent, that is not OK. It is not up to Trump or Vance to decide on his guilt or innocence,

You weren't there, he was and as officers don't shoot for no reason then he clearly felt a threat what with engine revving and 'drive drive' being shouted as it headed towards him.

Yes, I've noticed this.

I think what's happened is a tragedy. But I've also watched Tom Homan, head of ICE, talk about MS13 and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans from the activities of drug cartels. Most of the impact of drugs is on poorer communities as well. Tom Homan seems like a true American patriot and I respect him.

I rather think that law enforcement officers ought to comply with the law in the first place?

Once they start using lethal force with impunity and the government implicitly endorses political killings, we’re no longer looking at enforcement of the law we’ are seeing the breakdown of accountability and justice. Dangerous behaviour by citizens does not justify unlawful and potentially politically motivated killings.

I am bemused though by the persistent fan posts supporting rogues such as Trump, Vance and that ICE man. Poor little tough man munchkins need defending on Mumsnet 😂

'But again, so what if she was? Do you believe it adds justification?'

For the trillionth time her actions caused the shooting. Her actions. Their contempt in the lead up clearly set the scene for some kind of confrontation didn't it.

She should have got out the car.

We aren't 'fans'. What's wrong with discussing issues in the news on mumsnet do you think we should be discussing housework and make up or something?

American law enforcers are masters of escalation. Standing in frotn of a car to make it a weapon is a classic of the genre.

For the trillionth time her actions caused the shooting.
Her actions could have also caused her to be detained, tried and jailed if appropriate. There was a choice. ICE chose to kill, paramilitary style. I guess for ICE, it was a mission completed.

They also had her vehicle registration plate and her wife was right there. They could easily have just let her go then picked her up later.

But they didn't because they wanted to kill someone. It seems to me there is a concerted effort by the administration to cause widespread protests to justify cancelling the midterms.

Far too many people in here think cops are judge and jury. They're not. Reene was innocent because she wasn't found guilty of a crime.

For the trillionth and one time- no they did not.

Being contempuous of someone doesn't mean they get to shoot you in the head.

The ice agents could have gone around, they chose to stop.
He coul have stepped back, instead he shot her at point blank range.

Stop victim blaming and put the responsibility where it lies- firmly with the man who pulled the trigger.

“…officers don’t shoot for no reason…”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_officers_convicted_for_an_on-duty_killing_in_the_United_States

If you seriously think that telling someone to have some lunch and calling them "big boy" is enough evidence of contempt to even vaguely faze almost any police officer/law enforcement official, I would strongly suggest you haven't had any real contact with anyone who works in law enforcement. My relative who was a police officer was called anything up to and including a "cunt" on a regular basis. Someone asking if he needed to have some lunch wouldn't even register on the scale.

When equivalent protests happen in the UK they often pass with few ARRESTS never mind deaths!

If someone isn't able to set aside that kind of (very prosaic) language then without being "set" for "confrontation" then they have absolutely no business working in law enforcement at all.

I see the reason the two elder children don’t live with the now dead mother is because the partner apparently used to hit the children and put out cigarettes on them…Renee chose that piece of work who more or less incited the actions that lead to her death , over her children. I hope the children get the over 1.5 million so far raised

"For the trillionth and one time- no they did not."

"He coul have stepped back, instead he shot her at point blank range."

He could have stepped back when he had a car move towards him / hit him - but he didn't. He felt his life was in danger and his choice may now means he spends a long time in prison

She could have been more careful about not hitting the armed pedestrian around her car - but didn't. She chose not to - which put her life in danger instead of just getting arrested.

The part toxic masculinity played in this cannot be underestimated. Jonathan Ross was a weak thin-skinned man full of hate who killed Renee Good because she wasn't fearful of him enough.

Link please.

These claims have no basis in fact

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/renee-good-child-abuse-row-was-minnesota-ice-shooting-victims-partner-arrested-heres-the-truth/ar-AA1TUwyS

You saw it where?