Ice agent shoots a woman in the face part 3

[Moontan]

Donald Trump has now said its okay to murder a woman. Because they are doing it for people's 'safety'

It is interesting how far humans will let themselves be abused by bad people.

I was watching a documentary about jonestown the cult.

Some people left the cult

They said that the leader beat people, raped people, starved people. He made them do physical labour for many hours a day. He demanded that they give him all of their money.

And yet still hundreds of people followed him.

People seem to keep supporting a person and staying there. Rather than saying "maybe i was wrong and this guy is actually a bad person"

Very Troll/Goady like behaviors....
Absolutely. Question is why.

Honestly it's just people with a different opinion. I've noticed over the last while that there's a tendency to think disagreement on certain subjects are some sort of sinister orchestrated plot or a troll farm, but that's both paranoia and an inability to conceptualise that different viewpoints exist.

Haven’t RTFT or fact-checked this but I’m parking it here.

I will Google each name.

It's not disagreement. It's repeating nonsensical, made up, make belief, stubborn ,white washing partisan claims ad nauseam hardly an intelligent political debate 😂

Yes, that one was different because De Menezez was genuinely completely minding his own business, he was shot as he was simply travelling by Tube train.

This wasn’t the case with Nicole Good. (But even saying that, ICE officers should have been able to manage the situation safely, she really wasn’t a threat to them.)

What was similar was the disinformation to make him appear to be partly to blame by stating that he ran away from the firearms officers, which he didn’t do at all.

There was no justice for him at all.

So, I guess all of them deserved to die, had the capitol police just decided to open fire as randomly and wildly as this agent did?

FAFO

The new rallying cry of the brain rotted MAGAs, I guess.

It seems it’s all going to her wife, who I am distinctly unimpressed with quite honestly. Feels quite murky now actually.

Also smiling at "inability to conceptualise that different viewpoints exist" and paranoia. Sweet. It's amusing when people who think they know something just don't know that they don't know quite as much as they think they do 🤗

Tbh there's a lot of that from both sides. People latch onto specific claims like dogs with bones.

Totally agree!

Yes, people have different points of view. Accepting that is part of being an adult. Maybe that's a bit mundane compared to bots and trolls!

The Guardian did the work for me…

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jan/04/ice-2025-deaths-timeline

2025 deadliest year for ICE. I think they may be trying to outdo themselves.

I don’t think she should have been shot since she was unarmed. BUT it is a consequence of entering the Capitol during a riot.

You seem to not understand personal responsibility.

Both sides? What frigging sides? Such single-minded* *black and white 'conceptualisation'.

Quote: " i’m sure the error rate is acceptable until it’s you or your family seized from the street and deported. Then it’s not so much oh well if we deport a couple of legal citizens to get a few illegal immigrants that’s ok."

Indeed. And it has already happened. Plenty of leopard ate my face stories out there, Trump voters having relatives picked up by ICE.

Here is a high profile example.

Woman with family relations to Karoline Leavitt arrested by ICE near Boston | CNN Politics

Sorry nephew, I can't be your auntie any more. Your mum is undocumented, so she has to go.

Ha ha ha, loving the moralising and lecturing from all the posters with no compassion or sense of proportion, who say the woman in Minneapolis had it coming for not following the rules. It all sounds so robotic and no not in the sense of bots, but dog and bone type of thing. Better get back to work. What a wast of time.

People who think Renee was murdered vs people who think the ICE officer was shooting in self-defence.

Rich from the person defending the 'ooh the widdle bumpy when I stepped in front of the car going 2 mph made me shoot her in the face three times' excuse.

And I asked, since you think Renee Good was asking for it, do you think all the Jan 6 rioters were? Would they all have deserved the same fate?

It's not about sides 🙄. Some seriously rigid 'conceptualising' at display across this thread.

"Thats hardly similar, he was a known criminal... suspected of using firearms the previous day"

There are quite a few parallels

Both cases involved a person being asked to exit a car.
Both cases involved a person ignoring this and attempting to drive away.
Both cases involved the driver being shot as a result.
Both involve the justification being defence of life
Both involv d people saying why was the driver car not disabled
Both resulted in accusations of executions and murder.
One resulted in a murder charge and the other is likely to.

Kabas driving was arguably more aggressive and driving and only involved a single shot though. I believe in kabas case they were stopping the car as it has been flagged rather and police were unaware of the drivers identity at the time of the shooting.

Indeed. To the point where people think others are just trolling if they're not in complete agreement with them.

My point all along has been that everyone has been looking at this through the prism of their own world view, and no-one can know the state of mind or motivation of the man who pulled the trigger.

'I am astonished at the ICE fan girls and boys on these threads, especially the British ones. They are obsessed with Trump and ICE and regard human life as disposable as long as it happens to the left or aliens'

Fangirls? Obsessed with Trump? Seriously what bizarre comments. We all have an opinion on this tragic case as it's still on the news and all over sm.

I'll tell you one common theme, those who think she was 'murdered' are far more insulting in their comments than the more measured posters who recognise situations escalate particularly with armed officers and people behaving erratically.

A pp even told me I probably liked grok images of bikinis on dead bodies, how the fuck does anyone even come to that sick conclusion?

FFS. The consequence of committing a crime is not and cannot ever be summary execution.

What is so hard to understand about that?

Re: the polarisation and refusal to listen to the other side, I think it is the two viewpoints are so diametrically opposed in terms of ethical and moral beliefs that it is impossible for one side to understand the other, for example, I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone could accept that the police should be able to kill anyone who disobeys with impunity, which seems to be what is being said by those of FAFO view.

What is classified as fucking about? It's not laid out in law, if I jaywalk and don't listen when the police shout an instruction, is that FAFO? Is it fine to shoot me? What about a teen shoplifter who runs from the police, is that FAFO? It makes no sense to me how people cannot see how very, very wrong accepting this as the norm could go.

It goes against everything I believe in and have been taught when it comes to fairness, justice, and social equality. The police are there to protect us; it is the court's job to decide the punishments.

I can understand how someone can misinterpret the video or argue that the first shot was self-defense. I don't agree, but I can understand how someone could believe that, but this FAFO or the defense of shots 2 and 3 are just incomprehensible to me.

"People who think Renee was murdered vs people who think the ICE officer was shooting in self-defence."

Well some people recognise he may well have believed he was shooting in self defence ( possibly due to trauma from) previous incidents but this may ultimately be found to be unreasonable in court....

Ashley died because she entered the Capitol during a riot. Renee died because she refused to get out of her car and ran into a federal agent.

If they had thought about their own personal safety, both would still be alive.

Of course I don’t think Capitol officers should spray bullets. But if they had shot someone holding a knife and lunging at them?

This isn’t hard

'FFS. The consequence of committing a crime is not and cannot ever be summary execution. What is so hard to understand about that?'

It wasnt 'summary execution' it was a reaction to her behaving in a way perceived to be a threat. Her and her gf seemed to think the whole thing was a right laugh sneering and grinning at law enforcement officers.

She should have followed instructions and got out of her car, not accelerated toward someone.

It is 101 psychology and it's called cognitive bias - there is a lot of that going on in this thread and it's normal people will do this.

BUT what is a problem is the respond of the American President and government instead of being calm and reasoned and waiting for a full investigation into events they are fanning the flames of division. It's typical divide and conquer here.