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Ice agent shoots a woman in the face part 3

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Moontan · 09/01/2026 15:35

Donald Trump has now said its okay to murder a woman. Because they are doing it for people's 'safety'

It is interesting how far humans will let themselves be abused by bad people.

I was watching a documentary about jonestown the cult.

Some people left the cult

They said that the leader beat people, raped people, starved people. He made them do physical labour for many hours a day. He demanded that they give him all of their money.

And yet still hundreds of people followed him.

People seem to keep supporting a person and staying there. Rather than saying "maybe i was wrong and this guy is actually a bad person"

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SpaceRaccoon · 10/01/2026 16:22

FuckRealityBringMeABook · 10/01/2026 16:12

As in, it's happened once in the past decade in the UK and is so rare we remember the guy's name?

No that one stayed with me because of how horrific his death was. But if being run over at traffic stops is more common in the US, you can see why they're jumpy.

RedTagAlan · 10/01/2026 16:38

SpaceRaccoon · 10/01/2026 16:22

No that one stayed with me because of how horrific his death was. But if being run over at traffic stops is more common in the US, you can see why they're jumpy.

Other posters have posted US law/ law enforcement regs removing vehicles. This shooter broke lots of them.

He broke the very laws/ rules that were put in place to try to stop this from happening.

And lets be honest, if Trump and his regime had not instantly blamed her, called her a paid agitator, a radicalized leftie, a domestic terrorist, then this whole thing might be a bit different just now.

LlttledrummergirI · 10/01/2026 16:41

SpaceRaccoon · 10/01/2026 15:37

Chicago PD Superintendent Larry Snelling does describe ICE as "officers, they are agents of law enforcement"

"“Let me make this clear; agents, ICE, HSI, are officers, they are agents of law enforcement. If you box them in with vehicles, it is reasonable for them to believe, that they are being ambushed…”

https://x.com/FarmGirlCarrie/status/2009376572940206123

He was describing a different incident, but you take the point.

She didn't box them in though. They could have driven passed but chose not to.

5MinuteArgument · 10/01/2026 16:42

OtterlyAstounding · 10/01/2026 16:03

To be fair, in a discussion of US events, the opinion of someone based in the US seems pertinent, and the opinion of someone who voted for Trump seems a valuable one to hear too.

An echo chamber serves no one, and a variety of perspectives is a great way to build up a nuanced picture of events, as well as empathy for views one still might not agree with, but can now understand better. I know that personally I've found many of the comments on both sides on this thread have made me think twice about the perspective I hold, and had an impact on my views.

Yes, the only reason I look at threads on Mumsnet is because it's NOT an echo chamber. That makes it very unusual on the Internet.

The voting on this thread has reflected the range of views.

NoSoNo · 10/01/2026 16:46

WinterSonnet · 10/01/2026 15:58

This is a Uk based forum. Why are you all engaging with @RingoJuice

They have said they voted for Trump. I am upset that they have been allowed to derail as they have.

Many of us have simply bowed out - while keen to have a respectful discussion over the murder - YES MURDER - of Renee Nicole Good.

This place sinks further

I am astonished at the ICE fan girls and boys on these threads, especially the British ones. They are obsessed with Trump and ICE and regard human life as disposable as long as it happens to the left or aliens. Dehumanising certain groups of people, unempathetic, punitive and fanatical. They want people to accept state violence against certain populations as normal. If people resist, we are told, bad things happen and it’s their own fault. This becomes a mental anchor. The repeated line ‘she was at fault’ is meant to become the social norm.

The banality of evil.

RhannionKPSS · 10/01/2026 16:50

I feel sorry for her children and that poor dog who was in the car with her.
What she did was foolhardy , and sadly now her family have to live with the repercussions.

LlttledrummergirI · 10/01/2026 16:50

WinterSonnet · 10/01/2026 15:58

This is a Uk based forum. Why are you all engaging with @RingoJuice

They have said they voted for Trump. I am upset that they have been allowed to derail as they have.

Many of us have simply bowed out - while keen to have a respectful discussion over the murder - YES MURDER - of Renee Nicole Good.

This place sinks further

Because those posts i find abhorrent, but reporting them to mnet gets the response to challenge on the thread. That the misinformation is rife in America and doesn't break site rules.

By allowing misinformation to stand unchallenged others may believe it, and that can lead to more harm.

It's a distressing subject, ultimately a woman has been killed, and rather than focusing on what can stop this from reoccurring, the Trump administration with no evidence blamed her, and subsequently his supporters are doing the same.

Their lies can't go unchallenged.

LlttledrummergirI · 10/01/2026 16:52

NoSoNo · 10/01/2026 16:46

I am astonished at the ICE fan girls and boys on these threads, especially the British ones. They are obsessed with Trump and ICE and regard human life as disposable as long as it happens to the left or aliens. Dehumanising certain groups of people, unempathetic, punitive and fanatical. They want people to accept state violence against certain populations as normal. If people resist, we are told, bad things happen and it’s their own fault. This becomes a mental anchor. The repeated line ‘she was at fault’ is meant to become the social norm.

The banality of evil.

I'm not convinced they are British despite the claims.

Walkden · 10/01/2026 16:53

"Because those posts i find abhorrent, but reporting them to mnet gets the response to challenge on the thread."

Well mnet have very clear criteria for reporting posts and an "abhorrent" difference of opinion is not one of them.

It may also be that they disagree about what constitutes " misinformation"...

RingoJuice · 10/01/2026 16:54

user4532789 · 10/01/2026 15:45

I voted for Joe Biden and he won.

The Jan 6 protestors couldn't leave it be, because they believed in a delusional fairy tale, they thought they had a right to stop the peaceful transfer of power for which the country has been known for hundreds of years.

Therefore all the Jan 6 protestors, who were actually violent, injuring over 130 police officers, 15 of them severely, deserve to have been murdered by being shot in the face.

I'm so glad we agree.

One unarmed woman did get killed: the man who shot her did not face any consequences. I’m sorry that Ashlee Babbitt died, but it was a consequence of her poor choice to enter the Capitol and join the riot.

I didn’t defend those who did destroy property and beat people up. FAFO

RhannionKPSS · 10/01/2026 16:56

I’ve been in the position of being at the crossing at Niagara Falls where we “ aliens had to get out of the car to produce our documents.

When my mum said to the guards “ no, we are not from England , we are Scottish “ he flipped the guard over his side arm, and clearly wasn’t happy that a wee Scottish woman contradicted him. Don’t mess with armed police

Haemagoblin · 10/01/2026 16:58

NorwayTruce · 09/01/2026 21:22

Still the endless banging on about how it was her FACE she was shot in as if that’s the only thing that’s relevant. Yes. We know what part of her body she was shot in. People don’t need to keep endlessly banging on about it. You can be shot anywhere and still die but you wouldn’t all be prattling on about how she was shot in her GROIN. It doesn’t matter what part of her body she was shot in so can we please just stop! She’s dead. Focus on THAT ffs!

It is important because it is pretty much a certainty that if you shoot someone in the head/face they will die. It can't be passed of as an attempt to disable a threat - he wanted her dead. So it bears repeating.

Alexandra2001 · 10/01/2026 17:01

LlttledrummergirI · 10/01/2026 16:41

She didn't box them in though. They could have driven passed but chose not to.

...and equally they could have boxed her in, preventing all of this.

RingoJuice · 10/01/2026 17:07

Thing is though, the mass deportations are being done without due process

Supreme Court says otherwise. The only process they are due accordingly is to check their papers. If they claim asylum it’s a bit different but I don’t think you can claim asylum anymore after crossing illegally (although I’m not 100% on that)

they’re picking up native Americans. Tribes are telling people to carry their tribal ID at all times, but ICE aren’t being trained in what a tribal ID looks like

50 US citizens detained out of 500,000 is actually a very good rate.

they can just withdraw a visa

The granting of visas is a privilege and not a right. I know the UK has trouble deporting even dangerous rapists and it’s chilling

they’re doing it predominantly in democratic states

I am happy to report they are active in my home state, which is red.

people voted against immigration, yes. But what ICE and Trump’s administration are doing goes far beyond that and into human rights infractions

Again, you won’t deport literal rapists because of their ‘human rights’ so I frankly don’t care what you think about it.

People are realising they could be walking the street and find themselves in Ecuador before anyone can find them or get them legal assistance

Yes. They need to self-deport before this happens. Frankly if you are an illegal alien in the US, you should pack up now and take the exit money.

The threshold for asylum is very strict and being from a poor, crime-ridden country is not a basis for asylum. You have to prove you are actively being persecuted by the government. That’s going to be a very small number of cases. Unfortunately asylum was used as a loophole during the Biden years, but thankfully that’s over now.

Edited to add that British tend to think there is some court system that handles asylum cases, but immigration ‘courts’ are not real courts and are a function of the executive branch. Fun fact.

5MinuteArgument · 10/01/2026 17:08

Having a different point of view doesn't mean you're peddling misinformation or that you're a Russian bot or American troll.

I'm appalled at the division in American society but I'm very sure it isn't all coming from one direction. There are bad actors on both sides.

ILoveVitaminSea · 10/01/2026 17:13

WinterSonnet · 10/01/2026 15:58

This is a Uk based forum. Why are you all engaging with @RingoJuice

They have said they voted for Trump. I am upset that they have been allowed to derail as they have.

Many of us have simply bowed out - while keen to have a respectful discussion over the murder - YES MURDER - of Renee Nicole Good.

This place sinks further

So? Anyone from anywhere can post here.

Haemagoblin · 10/01/2026 17:16

Playingvideogames · 09/01/2026 23:03

What influence is exercised on us by the US?

Are you having a giraffe???

Alexandra2001 · 10/01/2026 17:17

5MinuteArgument · 10/01/2026 17:08

Having a different point of view doesn't mean you're peddling misinformation or that you're a Russian bot or American troll.

I'm appalled at the division in American society but I'm very sure it isn't all coming from one direction. There are bad actors on both sides.

Agree, but what i don't get is the ignoring of the 2nd and 3rd shots.. why? he may have been in danger when he fired first but he then carried on firing, after out of the way of the car.

Then there is the denial of medical care, the treatment of her body, the immunity, the calling her a terrorist.... the fucking bitch comment...

The pro shooter posters don't acknowledge any of this.... its all "Well, she put herself in harms way" "Don't mess with armed officers" and most weirdly "they are trained to shoot until the threat is neutralised" but then have no answer to what that threat was supposed to have been.....

They also ignore the question "Why wasn't she stopped earlier, with CS gas or the car boxed in..."

Very Troll/Goady like behaviors....

I don't see anything like the same from the opposing view.

5MinuteArgument · 10/01/2026 17:17

ILoveVitaminSea · 10/01/2026 17:13

So? Anyone from anywhere can post here.

Agreed, I can't see why an American shouldn't post on something that's happened in America.

It's relevant to the UK as well, as we've had similar incidents. The Chris Kaba case comes to mind.

Alexandra2001 · 10/01/2026 17:20

5MinuteArgument · 10/01/2026 17:17

Agreed, I can't see why an American shouldn't post on something that's happened in America.

It's relevant to the UK as well, as we've had similar incidents. The Chris Kaba case comes to mind.

Thats hardly similar, he was a known criminal... suspected of using firearms the previous day.... the nearest i can think of is Jean Charles de Menezes but even that isn't really the same.

Usernamenotfound1 · 10/01/2026 17:21

RingoJuice · 10/01/2026 17:07

Thing is though, the mass deportations are being done without due process

Supreme Court says otherwise. The only process they are due accordingly is to check their papers. If they claim asylum it’s a bit different but I don’t think you can claim asylum anymore after crossing illegally (although I’m not 100% on that)

they’re picking up native Americans. Tribes are telling people to carry their tribal ID at all times, but ICE aren’t being trained in what a tribal ID looks like

50 US citizens detained out of 500,000 is actually a very good rate.

they can just withdraw a visa

The granting of visas is a privilege and not a right. I know the UK has trouble deporting even dangerous rapists and it’s chilling

they’re doing it predominantly in democratic states

I am happy to report they are active in my home state, which is red.

people voted against immigration, yes. But what ICE and Trump’s administration are doing goes far beyond that and into human rights infractions

Again, you won’t deport literal rapists because of their ‘human rights’ so I frankly don’t care what you think about it.

People are realising they could be walking the street and find themselves in Ecuador before anyone can find them or get them legal assistance

Yes. They need to self-deport before this happens. Frankly if you are an illegal alien in the US, you should pack up now and take the exit money.

The threshold for asylum is very strict and being from a poor, crime-ridden country is not a basis for asylum. You have to prove you are actively being persecuted by the government. That’s going to be a very small number of cases. Unfortunately asylum was used as a loophole during the Biden years, but thankfully that’s over now.

Edited to add that British tend to think there is some court system that handles asylum cases, but immigration ‘courts’ are not real courts and are a function of the executive branch. Fun fact.

Edited

Funny how the small number of asylum cases includes white South Africans.

rapists who are not British citizens absolutely can be deported. We can’t deport rapists who are British citizens.

i’m sure the error rate is acceptable until it’s you or your family seized from the street and deported. Then it’s not so much oh well if we deport a couple of legal citizens to get a few illegal immigrants that’s ok.

5MinuteArgument · 10/01/2026 17:24

The Chris Kaba case is similar in the sense that his supporters said he was unarmed and the police said he used his vehicle as a weapon. Of course there are many aspects that are not similar.

SpaceRaccoon · 10/01/2026 17:24

rapists who are not British citizens absolutely can be deported

Tbf we can't if they'd considered to be in danger of death, torture etc in their home countries. Including if the danger would be because they are a convicted rapist.
So in practice it's pretty much impossible.

That's why there's the push to leave the ECHR from some quarters.

NoSoNo · 10/01/2026 17:25

Alexandra2001 · 10/01/2026 17:17

Agree, but what i don't get is the ignoring of the 2nd and 3rd shots.. why? he may have been in danger when he fired first but he then carried on firing, after out of the way of the car.

Then there is the denial of medical care, the treatment of her body, the immunity, the calling her a terrorist.... the fucking bitch comment...

The pro shooter posters don't acknowledge any of this.... its all "Well, she put herself in harms way" "Don't mess with armed officers" and most weirdly "they are trained to shoot until the threat is neutralised" but then have no answer to what that threat was supposed to have been.....

They also ignore the question "Why wasn't she stopped earlier, with CS gas or the car boxed in..."

Very Troll/Goady like behaviors....

I don't see anything like the same from the opposing view.

Very Troll/Goady like behaviors....
Absolutely. Question is why.

RhannionKPSS · 10/01/2026 17:26

Usernamenotfound1 · 10/01/2026 17:21

Funny how the small number of asylum cases includes white South Africans.

rapists who are not British citizens absolutely can be deported. We can’t deport rapists who are British citizens.

i’m sure the error rate is acceptable until it’s you or your family seized from the street and deported. Then it’s not so much oh well if we deport a couple of legal citizens to get a few illegal immigrants that’s ok.

Edited

There are many very good reasons why white South Africans are seeking sanctuary in the USA and good for them. South Africa is a gangster state now, and it’s heartbreaking to hear of the farmers being murdered there.

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