Ice agent shoots a woman in the face part 3

[Moontan]

Donald Trump has now said its okay to murder a woman. Because they are doing it for people's 'safety'

It is interesting how far humans will let themselves be abused by bad people.

I was watching a documentary about jonestown the cult.

Some people left the cult

They said that the leader beat people, raped people, starved people. He made them do physical labour for many hours a day. He demanded that they give him all of their money.

And yet still hundreds of people followed him.

People seem to keep supporting a person and staying there. Rather than saying "maybe i was wrong and this guy is actually a bad person"

They are motherless because of her own reckless behaviour. She should have though of them before she did any of this but she didn't. The ice agent could have children too and he shouldn't be put in harms way for simply doing his job.

I think Renee was involved in a slightly tense but not incredibly aggressive or confrontational situation, but was probably too cavelier with the safety of the ICE officers in terms of her driving at close quarters, and unfortunately one of them had PTSD from a prior incident where he had been seriously injured, and then what happened, happened. Just a really ugly, unfortunate incident all round.

Don’t you think that it was highly inappropriate/irresponsible for a man with a known mental health condition that could impair his judgment to be given a gun and placed back in the same situation?

Funny trajectory for a bullet from someone who shot front the front.

The amount of Proud Boy Gestapo apologists on here is frightening. I just hope they don't look to people like Renee for help when the PBG start coming for them, or expect forgiveness once this is all over.

The other point I would add is that if your vehicle is surrounded by armed officers telling you to get out of the vehicle then it's probably a good idea to get out of the vehicle and not drive off.

She wasn't. Cars were moving around her.

Is that a second bullet hole in the wing mirror?

He tried to open her locked door (as did her wife).

She did not unlock the door, or stop - she elected to evade apprehension. She therefore compounded her original mistake, of getting involved in the first place.

If you subscribe to the ICE agent’s actions as being wilful, so were the victim’s.

She wasn't blocking it either. Cars were moving around it, the pissed off ice agents chose to stop.

Thing is, what you call a large SUV is really just a standard car in the USA. It's not as she decided to take the biggest SUV she could find, it's the standard vehicle most people drive. Especially in places that get harsh winters.

And thats not me making excuses, that' s just the USA.

Go a little south, and her large SUV is puny next to the trucks they drive about in.

Not in this case.
Repeating this lie over and over, will not make it true, or any more believable.

We have eyes and ears of our own.

And yet the video evidence clearly shows that the car accelerated after the driver was shot. So you imagine wrong.

Anyone trained to deal with this situation would know that shooting a driver in the head when you are right in front of its bonnet will not stop the car in its tracks. People supporting the “self defence” theory are massively missing the point that the act whuch killed the woman is nit the same act which “saved” the officer. What”saved” him was him stepping out of the way. He had no need to do anything else.

I am grateful that there has been a lot of money raised for her children. I tried to share the link earlier but it was deleted by MN.

This is absolute victim blaming bullshit.

You should not be shot for sitting in a car.
You should not be shot for for protesting.
She was moving away.

Renee was shot and killed because a man chose to shoot and kill her.

Ah right. So ice agents should just accept these people driving at them. If they get injured or killed, then just deal with it and consider it part of their job.

Luckily no ice agents were hurt and hopefully of people will think before they try using their cars as deadly weapons against law enforcement in the future.

There is a link within this article about the campaign. Hopefully this doesn't break Talk guidelines.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/10/renee-nicole-good-fundraising-campaign-ice

Eta:the fundraiser is closed now.

Absolutely not appropriate, however, do we honestly believe that someone so triggered by moving vehicles that they lose all sense of reasonableness, would deliberately place themselves in the path of a moving SUV or even in the path of an SUV where a woman who has been "harassing him all day" has the keys in the ignition and the engine running?

Would he not stay at the side of the vehicle where he originally was when his fellow thugs joined the fray? SUVs, to my knowledge, cannot move sideways, so he was perfectly safe by the driver's window where he was before he stepped forward and drew his gun.

Why did he approach at all if cars made him so nervous? He had no reason to. The car that stopped to back him up could have driven past as the one before it did.

I've had bad experiences with hamsters, evil little shits that they are. I don't know if I would go so far as to say I have PTSD, but they make me nervous when they're scurrying around freely. I happened across a bunch of free-range hamsters. My instinct would be to run away from them, not towards them.

So you are happy that anyone who tries to avoid being detained by unidentified men in masks to be summarily executed without due process by being shot in the head.

Understood.

She wasn't just sitting in her car though was she? She excellerated and drive while he was standing infront of the car. She did way more than protest and sit in her car.

You appear to have answered your own question, without waiting for my reply.

Understood.

Absolutely appalling. I can't believe there was a lovely family dog in the car too. Renee seems lovely and speaks in such a kind and bright way. I reckon possibly adhd or some sort of neurological diversity. He partner, I'm less impressed with, se was massively hyphening top the situation and seems like trouble, she certainly didn't seem to feel protective of her spouse 😥
Where was she when ICE shooting Renee? I bet Renee's mother always knew that her daughter's wife was trouble. In any case, Renee was executed by ICE, state sanctioned murder - even if she was clumsily blocking the street. Also, the ICE guy could not have known there was no child in the car. Or is that perhaps why he want around the car to check? In which case it's premeditated murder, a political assassination really, by an ex soldier. Horrid horrid horrid. RIP Renee.

We do and in this case, we can see that this unfortunate woman put herself in harm's way.

She was there to protest, to cause difficulty-it wasn't rocket science to work out that this plan would draw the attention of armed men, men that she was was trying to prevent from dong their legal job.

She was entitled to protest-although not to prevent- but in any case, how many of us, here on Mumsnet, would not get out of a car if ordered to do by police. We would do that because we wouldn't want to escalate the situation.

Why in God's name, did she not get out of the vehicle when told to do so, why did her wife think it was a good idea to encourage her in this and why did she think driving towards men with guns was an effective thing to do.

I feel for her and her family but is just as short sighted to claim that she was wholly innocent of playing a part in what befell her, as it is to say that the armed men were not at fault at all.

Like so much of our messy life, this was a messy situation.

I wouldn’t really donate to it, it’s not started by family. Her children may not see a dime.

Hmmm. Who to believe. Random internetter Greenmouldycheese or the leading Canadian professor who has spent ten years studying car rammings, watching videos of over 500 incidents, and says this has none of their hallmarks.

CNN have doorbell/yard CCTV footage and have put it together.

Cell phone footage raises new questions about ICE agent’s tactics before fatal shooting | CNN

So it's looking like Good and her wife are driving around the area, basically playing cat and mouse with ICE.

I suspect, although not in the CNN vid, as part of a social media group. I think that is a reasonable assumption.

From watching the CNN vid, the shooter was frustrated, and he had decided that she was not going to drive off up the road to try blocking it further up. HE was not going to play cat and mouse again. HE was going to stop it. He would step in front of her car, and HE "would take her out".

What should ICE have done, in my opinion, when confronted with a couple of female protestors who were getting in their way ?

How about ICE pull up, and call the REAL COPS to come and deal with these women, who it appears ICE had no idea how to deal with ?

Where was she when ICE shooting Renee?

She was at the side of the maroon SUV, filming the agent who ultimately shot her wife.