Ice agent shoots a woman in the face part 3

[Moontan]

Donald Trump has now said its okay to murder a woman. Because they are doing it for people's 'safety'

It is interesting how far humans will let themselves be abused by bad people.

I was watching a documentary about jonestown the cult.

Some people left the cult

They said that the leader beat people, raped people, starved people. He made them do physical labour for many hours a day. He demanded that they give him all of their money.

And yet still hundreds of people followed him.

People seem to keep supporting a person and staying there. Rather than saying "maybe i was wrong and this guy is actually a bad person"

It was one of the mildest attempts at provocation I've ever seen. Anyone in a public facing role should be able to manage that, no 'despite' needed.

What happened shouldn't have happened. And of course everyone has the right to peaceful protest.

But protesters are putting ICE officers in a very difficult position when they block legitimate law enforcement actions with their vehicles.

The video Vance released shows her saying to the ICE officer I don't have a problem with you. How is that protesting? A few seconds later she is shot three times and the ICE officer walks away muttering you fucking bitch.

Fair enough! I suppose it just seemed an odd part of her comment to address when she wasn't advocating that. But you're totally right, she did mention that people were doing that, or the opposite.

I think ICE are militia. Soldiers have more training.

Absolutely this
He did it out of spite as evidenced by the " fucking bitch" comment
Its the epitome of "men fear women will laugh at them,women fear men will kill them"

Im not sure the "whoa" was the shooter, I think it was his colleague standing next to him reacting in shock .

Oh look, another "well-trained professional" ICE agent pointing his gun at a woman's head.

I'm sure he was terrified this unarmed safety marshall, who was standing perfectly still with her arms to the side, was just about do him serious physical harm.

I used to go on lots of demos. But I have never blocked law enforcement actions with a large SUV.

The ICE actions have been voted for by the American public. It's very sad what's happened but it isn't at all black and white.

They are federal agents. Various departments will have enforcement agencies. FBI is the most famous, but we also have the CBP/ATF/DEA. I think even the IRS
has one of these, don’t know if it has a cute acronym

Just correcting your further misinformation:

After the shooting a man came up offering assistance and claiming to be a physician. This was declined and she was told that ICE had their own medical staff.

Despite your attempt at emotive language She was not dragged out like a piece of meat by ICE officers:

9:37:55 a.m. Moments after the shooting
Three seconds after the shooting, the Honda Pilot crashes into a parked car on the side of Portland Avenue, video footage shows. It then inches off the side of the one-way street, into the snow near a tree. The woman who later identified herself as Good's partner rushes to the Honda Pilot. The federal agent who shot Good is also seen walking toward the car.
The agent is then seen on video walking back after looking at the driver's side of the vehicle, as a bystander is heard yelling "shame." The agent can be heard saying "call 911." The woman later identified as Good's partner can subsequently be seen kneeling into the Honda Pilot. It's not clear from the video what Good's condition is at that moment.

9:42:03 a.m. Good remains in her car
Minutes after Good is shot, she remains inside the Honda Pilot, video footage shows. Bystanders plead with DHS agents to let a man identified as a physician check on Good. The agents refuse, saying they have their own medics and that EMS personnel are on the way.

9.43:14 a.m. Firefighters approach the scene
More than six minutes after shots rang out, local first responders are seen on video arriving at the site of Good's crashed Honda Pilot. An EMS technician or firefighter begins pulling Good's body from the car and firefighters start to render assistance to Good.

9:45:30 a.m. Good is carried from the scene
Firefighters carry Good to the corner of Portland Avenue and 34th Street where they appear to begin administering CPR. Seven minutes later, Good's body can be seen on video being carried into an ambulance.

No, that's not what happens. Watching it now...

She says in a condescending tone, while throwing him what I thought was a smarmy look (Note: smarmy looks or condescending tones should not result in one being shot) - 'It's fine, dude, I'm not mad at you!' as though her feelings towards the ICE officer are relevant to the situation. She continues to repeat 'I'm not mad at you' once more, I believe.

A female voice says 'show your face' to the ICE officers - I think a third party?

Then her wife says, while filming him close up, in a rather confrontational tone (Note: a confrontational tone should not result in a shooting) - 'That's okay, we don't change our plates every morning, just so you know. It'll be the same plate when you come talk to us later. That's fine. US citizen [bleeped and then inaudible to me] you want to come at us? You wanna come at us? I say go get yourself some lunch, big boy. Go ahead.'

To me that implies that they're not moving? Like, he should just go get some lunch, because they're not going anywhere? I'm not sure, though.

Then another agent says - 'Get out of the car. Get out of the car. Get out of the fucking car.'

The victim's wife opens the car door as this is being said, and says - 'drive, baby drive! Drive!'

The victim begins to drive, turning right away from him, while the ICE officer who shoots her says - 'Whoa!' and there's a fumbling sound as he drops/lowers his phone and shoots all three shots in a row while stepping back (it seems to happen so fast!)

I don't think he should have shot her, I think he broke protocol and that's why the situation escalated, so he is the one at fault, but it seems clear that they were there to protest ICE's actions by obstructing the road and filming it.

OK - I misquoted- it was "fucking bitch" not "stupid bitch".

so no CPR for 7 minutes?

that’s shocking in itself. Why did no one immediately give first aid?

in the UK firearms officers are all trained to paramedic level first aid. Any firearms injury is immediately assessed and life saving measures begin once the scene is safe.

yet these “officers” walk away from a seriously injured woman in her car and wait for paramedics. None of them knew even basic first aid? Not one went to check her airway and pulse? They kept a physician from her while they waited for ambulance?

i know chances are she was already beyond saving, but even so you administer first aid while waiting for EMS.

One thing I wondered, did she live on the street where she was killed?

Someone posted that she did, but I haven't seen anything to verify this one way or another.

I'm very surprised the officers didn't know first aid, although they may have assessed her condition. I do think they were right to refuse someone who came up and claimed they were a doctor access to her because without proof that's a safety risk.

I don't know that she lived on the street itself, but it seems pretty clear that she lived in the immediate area, so within a few streets of it, I'd say.

I wondered if she was pulling out of her driveway and somehow ended up in the situation by accident, but I think (think!) that she deliberately obstructed the road, as I can't imagine pulling out into that group of cars and the handful of protesters accidentally. But again, I'm not sure.

Of course they were protesters. That does not in any way excuse the disproportionate response of the ICE officer.

However it’s clear that these officers are encouraged to be abusive and confrontational, given guns and shielded from any consequences of their actions. Chilling.

I find it astonishing that the Trump administration see the latest video as a justification for what happened, when I can only see it as clear evidence that the shouting was unjustified.

So the ice agent shoukd have left her run him over? She deliberately tried to hurt him and he think that's okay?

She was local (had just dropped her son at school) but she and her wife had travelled to the area specifically to protest/observe. Which is 100% legal.

No, she was driving away. He was not in danger.

He could have moved - like most of us would.

Agreed! Although I'm not astonished by the response of Trump's administration, just disappointed that they've met my expectations.

I was surprised to find, having read a little on NBC about the ICE shooter, that he seems to have a fairly solid and lengthy history of (apparently) unblemished work - in the army, then border patrol, then ICE, gathering intelligence on cartel members and human traffickers, before moving to Minneapolis to go after higher value targets.

So he's not one of the newer recruits that are rumoured to be 'Proud Boys' or Neo Nazis, but an experienced operator. But I suppose he could've easily fallen down a conspiracy rabbit hole and become unhinged/aggressive in recent years, or have personal issues that impacted his ability to do the job.

"She was shot because a pissed off man who had been told to be rough by the president, decided to pull his gun and fire at point blank range into her head

Perhaps he was pissed off because she arrogantly, nonchalantly, struck him with her car .....

I think the latest videos show he was hit by her and in the benefit of hindsight he was unlikely to be killed but he felt otherwise at the time.

In fact, he still did have to move! So he could have just done that without shooting her!

And tell me this @Greenmouldycheese. If you are very close in front of a vehicle that is moving towards you, how does shooting the driver protect you? As you saw, killing the driver does not stop the vehicle from moving. Surely the only sensible defensive strategy is to move out of the way.