Ice agent shoots woman in the face (pt 2)

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Renee Good. Proof the you can shoot someone and get away with it in Trump’s America.

Its like jonestown all over again with Donald trump.

Jonestown was a cult where they followed a leader

He started out being nice. Then gradually he started beating them, raping them, starving them, taking all their money.

Still many of his devoted followers thought he was great and stayed with him till the end. When he killed them all.

One woman who left the cult said this.

"I thought he was great until he started beating up my teenage daughter. But the thinking was so warped that other people would try to convince me i was wrong".

"I would say this is awful and other people would say to me, no he is beating her because he loves her"

Indeed.

Sympathies for the officer.

How heartwarming?? 😬

If he felt he was threatened by her car and he wanted to shoot her to stop her driving into him, why didnt he shoot her in the arm?

He shot to kill her. Three times

Some of you seem very eager to defend the senseless murder of this woman, and to lay blame at the feet of the victim. I don't actually think it's unreasonable to describe such people as having "murderous views", personally - they are effectively arguing that murder is ok if it carried out by people on their side of the political fence.

It's a bit like the minority of people on the left who tried to argue that the assassination of Charlie Kirk was in any way defensible because his views were so objectionable. I would describe those people as having "murderous views" too.

As far as I'm concerned, people should not be killed for holding objectionable views or for engaging in non-violent political protest.

Defending politically motivated murder - regardless of the political beliefs of either the perpetrator or the victim - is an extreme and dangerous position.

The video evidence makes it extremely clear that this was not self defence as claimed. You can pretend otherwise if you don't want to confront the reality of what the US state has sadly become, but you are not actually succeeding in fooling anyone.

Absolutely, thank you for pointing this out, and making this so much clearer.

Yep, Trump over-egged the pudding a bit with that quote. Oops.

Yes thankyou, you've explained a lot better than i would have.

She didn't try to flee the scene - unlike the ICE agent(s). She started driving, at a snail's pace, out of the way of agents - as she was instructed to do.

Yes, I think it is reasonable to assume the agent who shot this woman 3 times in the face and killed her could have stepped out of the way, since (a) he stepped into the path of a moving vehicle to being with; (b) the car was moving so slowly it would have been easy to take a step back; (c) he had no difficulty moving to the side of her car for the sole purpose of shooting her twice more in the head.

You also keep trying to equate "emotions" with political belief or will. Whilst one can certainly drive the other, peaceful protests, including policitical prostests, are not illegal.

That would suggest he's not even watched the video.

I think you're getting your definitions mixed up, that isn't a 'murderous' view it is one different to yours. I did also say sympathies for her poor family.

I don't have any sympathy for ICE, but I agree it was an avoidable tragedy. Had ICE not decided to murder a woman in broad daylight, Renee would now be at home with her family, where she belongs.

Sorry but even you, as a civilian, have the right to shoot someone who is going to run you over. And in the videos I saw, it’s far from clear she wouldn’t end up hitting the guy in front of her car.

Its just disgusting.

Trump is disgusting. Did you see the things about him in the epstein files.

The dark is winning. The good needs to fight back

Why didnt he shoot her in the arm?

Read @MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack reply, explains it very well.

The comment still stands, there are a few people on this thread, who think her murder was legitimate, state sponsored, they support this ie Murderous Views.

Not one of you has criticised Trump for wrecking any trial or for the general tone of his remarks or Vance saying he will be given immunity.

What amazes me is that there is even a discussion about this.
clearly the ICE guy over reacted.
End of.
Result was an innocent woman being dead.

What we have to ask ourselves why he felt immune to any consequences.
Shoot first, ask questions later seems to be their rules of engagement engagement.

whichever way you look at it, this ICE man was full of adrenaline knowing that his President had his back.

I don’t care for Willy waving, testosterone filled pseudo police officers roaming the streets.

For goodness sake they don’t even have a uniform. They seemingly have a hoodie printed with ‘ICE’ yet can wear jeans or camo or whatever the feck they want to wear on their bottom half (which is where they wear their brains).

Why have they been sent to primarily democratic states?

it really is a head F**k which ever way you might view the footage.

I dont think we do have the right to shoot someone who is going to run us over

I was reading about a case where a person shot an intruder, who came into their home. They were charged with murder

No, actually, you don't. If you shoot someone who is driving towards you when you have other means to avoid being hit, such as moving out of the way, that is murder.

No one has the right to murder someone, not ICE, not the police, not civilians.

Have you read any of the multiple posts made showing that officer cannot legally just shoot into cars in the US? 'Can't definitively rule out that she has a gun' is not even remotely close to a justification.

You're really scraping the barrel now.

Nobody should be walking around the streets armed and ready to kill if they aren't trained and prepared to assess risk, deescalate appropriately and minimise harm.

As for assuming she'd be in jail - we don't have any evidence that what she had done would merit prison. There is nothing in the videos I have seen that suggests the atmosphere was even remotely like the scenes at the Capitol. I mean, the obvious thing that springs to mind is that one person died at the Capitol out of thousands of protestors, many/most of whom were being intentionally threatening and actually did harm police. There clearly was significantly more restrained behaviour on the part of the police at the Capitol in the face of real intimidation. They certainly didn't obey nicely when asked.

America has to accept that it's no longer a functioning democracy. There's a name for governments which legitimise their militias murdering citizens who oppose their politics. The fact that the Trump administration has rushed to blame the 'far left' is another indication of the slide into fascism. So far, so textbook.

Why sympathies to the officer? He walked around the back of her car, to the front, he put himself in that position. He didn’t shoot once he shot numerous times, and at close range.

The oaf of a president is backing him up, so will likely face no consequences. I imagine he got to go home to his family, unlike poor Renee.

Trump is a pile of shit. But they keep voting the bad guys in

America has to accept that it's no longer a functioning democracy

It won't.

When Trump was taking power, I was told he could do anything bad because of Congress, because of SCOTUS, because of the Senate, because of the army, because of moonbeams and butterflies.

Poor 6 year old that now has no mom

She didn't try to flee the scene - unlike the ICE agent(s). She started driving, at a snail's pace, out of the way of agents - as she was instructed to do

I think she was trying to flee the scene and wasn’t necessarily aiming to hit the guy (probably). But she had hit the gas and the wheels were spinning (lucky for the guy she didn’t move forward too fast, either because she’d been shot by then or the ice on the road prevented it)

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Yes, I think it is reasonable to assume the agent who shot this woman 3 times in the face and killed her could have stepped out of the way, since (a) he stepped into the path of a moving vehicle to being with

The angle in the video above, he’s not in front of the SUV until she backs up. So she may not have been aware he was in front of her at that point.

he had no difficulty moving to the side of her car for the sole purpose of shooting her twice more in the head

He just got clipped!

You also keep trying to equate "emotions" with political belief or will. Whilst one can certainly drive the other, peaceful protests, including policitical prostests, are not illegal

It is actually illegal to obstruct federal agents carrying out their duties, which Americans and Congress democratically voted for. I would have preferred that she’d got out of the car and been arrested. Don’t you?