Ice agent shoots woman in the face (pt 2)

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Renee Good. Proof the you can shoot someone and get away with it in Trump’s America.

Possibly that's why @RingoJuice left the country and opines from afar?

I said that. Because the whole thing would have been avoided if she had just got out of the car instead of doing whatever she was trying to do.

That actually happened in Liverpool, only the driver was deliberately driving into crowds... he wasn't shot.

You can defend this guy all you like and use weaselly words to try and hide your pleasure at her death but most of us see you for what you are.

Then she would be detained, arrested and, if the CPS found there was enough evidence of a crime to succesfully prosecute her, she would face charges. She would have access to legal counsel and be able to defend herself in a court of law. If found guilty, she would be subject to penalty which, in the UK, is never the death penalty.

I say again, even in the US, there is no excuse for summary execution.

I didnt panic and drive badly.

I panicked because i thought i was in trouble, and police are scary. My mind didnt even conciously make the decision to ignore the police officer. My body panicked and drove on.

I wasnt in trouble by the way. I wasnt speeding or anything. The police were doing random checks.

Wait what? Wouldn’t it have been better if someone shot him before plowing into a bunch of people? What are you trying to say here?

What of her decision to participate in blocking ICE vehicles? If that even was a decision, which hasn't yet been proven?

She couldn't possibly have foreseen that such an action would lead to summary execution without trial - that is not something that is permitted under the US constitution. Yet.

I genuinely don't believe that you can have watched the videos and truly believe that the officer thought he was at risk. I don't accept that it was self defence. I don't see how you can defend his actions.

Well if police were scary you’d probably not use your car to block them, would you?

Again.

You are not allowed to shoot someone for non compliance.

People can not comply. They can potentially be arrested for non compliance later on. But you cant kill someone for non compliance

You can if their noncompliance will lead you to be seriously injured or killed. That’s the issue.

Nope. And she wasn't

You're really enjoying being wrong

'Yep and not just new posters, the right wing murderous views on here'

Sorry what? 'Rightwing murderous views?! What are these murderous views? do c&p I'm all ears.

Or do you mean the many people who have seen the footage and disagree with the hysteria? A regrettable and avoidable tragedy. Get out of the car when told to and do not attempt to drive into law enforcement officers.

But you're wrong.

She wasnt driving at anyone. She was turning the wheel.

God people are thick as Trump himself

I dont know if thats definitely what she was doing. If she was, she shouldnt be killed for it.

I probably wouldnt block police in the US out of fear of my life,. They are trigger happy. I can see why peple might. If they are living in a neighbourhood where ICE were deporting neighbours/people they care about

But that is just pure fabrication. He wasn't at risk. That's clear from the video.

And Maga disciples' emotions do not override the rule of law or US citizens’ democratic rights nor do their feelings override principles of proportionality, judgement or the responsibility of those exercising executive power.

He stood in front of the car, but had the presence of mind to stand to one side and draw his weapon, then fire as the car moved forward, using his training to shoot twice more as the car went past him.

At what point was he in danger?

Look, just be honest, in your mind, she is, a "left wing professional agitator" and the world is a better place without her, you and @Gloriia have made your views very clear on this, no empathy, no genuine sorrow.

Just stop with the pretence...

Yet many many people disagree with you so you need to try some calming measures to deal with that instead of chucking insults about.

The noncompliance of not getting out of a car is not putting anyones lives at risk.

Im well aware that he is allowed to shoot only if he feels his or someone elses life os at risk.

What made me laugh was donald trumps over the top lie.

looking at the video.

The ice man casually walks Away. he is not injured at all.

Trump writes later on "I'm surprised that the ICE man is still alive, he was injured so badly".

Yeah the brainwashed MAGA. Who cant see the wood for the trees.

Well, the only thing for it is a court to hear and see all the evidence, and without fear or favour, make a ruling as to whether this woman was doing something that justified being shot to death.

Of course, it seems it's a bit of a stretch for many to believe this will happen, given how the country is being run, and who it is being run by.

Because those in power seem to act in such a manner as to give reasonable rise to the belief that the Constitution, the Rule of Law, and such bothers as habeas corpus no longer apply to them and their minions.

Are you so sure he could have stepped away? I’m not

Yes, because the car was turning away from him and he was never in front of it, he was at the side. He is the one who moved in because he wanted an angle to get a shot.

The shot from that position to the side only just reached the edge of the car windscreen to her driving seat. That is because it was not a face-on shot through the windscreen, because the car was moving round in the other direction, and, he was not in front of the car about to be mown down.

Look at The New York Times.

And he walked off entirely unharmed.

I think I've said repeatedly it was an avoidable tragedy and all sympathies to her poor family and also the officer involved.

What about these 'murderous' views you mentioned. What do you mean?

I know what you mean but it's important to reframe this: It should be the shooter that's put on trial, not his victim - and certainly not posthumously. The burden is on him to justify the actions that led to the death of an innocent woman.

There you go again "Sympathies for.... the Officer involved"

Murderous views indeed....