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To think infant circumcision is wrong but also that a total ban on it will not work and is not the most effective way to tackle it?

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Carla786 · 04/01/2026 00:49

On the recent threads after the tragic death of the baby boy who died from circumcision performed by a non medical professional, there have been a lot of calls for a total ban on here.
Now, I think infant circumcision is very wrong. But in practice I do not think a ban will work.
Most cultural circumcisions are performed by medically trained people. Backstreet ones need to be cracked down on with the full force of the law, but they are not typical.
Second, circumcision is key in Islam. However, while most agree it’s either compulsory or strongly recommended, age requirements are not as stringent in mandating someone has to be a minor. I think there is some hope sensitive campaigning within the community could maybe make more families consider leaving it until their son is at least maybe an older adolescent with more ability to choose.
Judaism – circumcision is central to Orthodox, Ultra Orthodox Haredi ofc, and more liberal Masorti and Reform. It is extremely unlikely that any law or external pressure would stop these practices, because brit milah is a covenantal obligation tied to Jewish identity. Attempting a blanket ban would likely trigger defensiveness, fear, maybe underground circumcisions and probably emigration of at least some to Israel or elsewhere, rather than protect children.
Focusing on sterile procedures, trained practitioners, and medical supervision would be more likely to significantly reduce risk. Jews have experienced persecution for circumcision in the past (e.g., Hellenistic bans and European restrictions), so any attempt to criminalise it today can feel existential. This is only heightened by the terrible upsurge in anti Semitism recently.

I agree with sentiments behind calling for a ban - I just thing measures short of a ban are more likely to work.

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itsnotfairisit · 04/01/2026 12:05

Mischance · 04/01/2026 12:02

It beggars belief that people who believe in the existence of an infallible god should at the same time believe that he/she makes such major mistakes in the construction of babies that we need to set about correcting these - what utter nonsense it all is. Nonsense that is allowed in UK law - it is time we got on with outlawing this.

Not just religious people. It’s commonly done in the US for ‘hygiene’ reasons. Bonkers

MissyB1 · 04/01/2026 12:05

Mischance · 04/01/2026 11:07

Fear of upsetting a cultural minority should not stop the UK outlawing child mutilation.
Let them be upset.
The UK must stand firm on basic principles.

This! And I’m amazed anyone would need this pointing out to them.

5MinuteArgument · 04/01/2026 12:06

My local GP practice offers a 'circumcision service'. I think MGM is a good name for it. They charge £150 last time I looked, which I imagine doesn't cover the full cost. So we're paying for this unecessary and harmful tradition in our taxes.

The UK needs to be much more robust in saying you're welcome to practice your religion or culture but these are our red lines.

AmpleMintBalonz · 04/01/2026 12:07

sabababa · 04/01/2026 11:59

As I said, much more difficult operation. I know many circumcised men who were circumcised as babies and not one has ever said they wished their parents had not done it to them.
You're all outraged about something that doesnt affect you and is not coming from or being demanded by the community of circumcised men. Of course there are a tiny number but compared to the billions(!) who are circumcised totally marginal.

Maybe because it has been normalised to an extent that we dont see the harm in mutilating baby boys. It is indicative of our wider belief that boys are disposable/indestructable (or proper men should be) which is the foundation of toxic masculinity. Even men have absorbed the idea that it is ok or even positive to put a boy through such a procedure. It will make him a man.

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:13

SapphOhNo · 04/01/2026 10:00

This argument collapses the moment you remove cultural defensiveness and look at the ethics.

How common circumcision is does not matter. Popularity does not make an irreversible bodily alteration ethical, especially when it is done to someone who cannot consent.

The claim that it has “very few downsides” is simply untrue. It removes healthy functional tissue, permanently alters the body, and sometimes causes complications. The fact that many men are fine with it does not cancel out the fact that some are not and were never given a choice.

Saying it is easier on a baby is not a justification. It is the core problem. Babies cannot refuse.

The “he might regret not being circumcised” argument is logically broken. If he grows up and wants it, he can choose it. If you do it to him as a baby and he does not want it, the harm is irreversible.

This is not about British snobbery or looking down on other cultures. It is about a child’s right to bodily integrity. Culture does not override consent.

Point is that all this pearl clutching about male circumcision and push to have it outlawed is not coming from circumcised men...
So, yes, you deciding for all these men who are perfectly happy with having been circumcised as babies that you know better stinks of total cultural snobbism. It's entirely different to FGM.

Of course I won't even bother trying to convey how important male circumcision is, in Judaism at least, as that will just be belittled and sneered at.

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:15

AmpleMintBalonz · 04/01/2026 12:07

Maybe because it has been normalised to an extent that we dont see the harm in mutilating baby boys. It is indicative of our wider belief that boys are disposable/indestructable (or proper men should be) which is the foundation of toxic masculinity. Even men have absorbed the idea that it is ok or even positive to put a boy through such a procedure. It will make him a man.

Yeah, so that's not ever part of the discourse around male circumcision in Jewish culture, ever, and you're showing total ignorance about male circumcision and why its done.

AmpleMintBalonz · 04/01/2026 12:16

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:13

Point is that all this pearl clutching about male circumcision and push to have it outlawed is not coming from circumcised men...
So, yes, you deciding for all these men who are perfectly happy with having been circumcised as babies that you know better stinks of total cultural snobbism. It's entirely different to FGM.

Of course I won't even bother trying to convey how important male circumcision is, in Judaism at least, as that will just be belittled and sneered at.

I believe there are organisations of men against circumcision actually.

Blushingm · 04/01/2026 12:17

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:15

Yeah, so that's not ever part of the discourse around male circumcision in Jewish culture, ever, and you're showing total ignorance about male circumcision and why its done.

Edited

So yet again I ask you - why is it done? For what (legitimate) reason? What is the benefit to the child?

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:18

Blushingm · 04/01/2026 12:02

How is it more difficult when older? Are you a person who has carried out both?

Medical fact. You can look it up.

Itsmetheflamingo · 04/01/2026 12:18

It’s an interesting point that men who are against circumcision aren't visible.

I have been reading the circumcision argument from predominantly women on various internet forums for 20 years. Where are the men having these informal discussions? If I asked my male friends they would be likely be against it but that would also likely be the first conversation they’d ever had about it.

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:19

AmpleMintBalonz · 04/01/2026 12:16

I believe there are organisations of men against circumcision actually.

Yes, there are a few. Totally marginal numbers wise considering nearly 40% of men in the world are circumcised.

Blushingm · 04/01/2026 12:20

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:18

Medical fact. You can look it up.

Not it’s not a medical fact

The biggest risk is anaesthetic - adults have it under general anaesthetic- babies don’t have any or little anaesthetic

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:20

Itsmetheflamingo · 04/01/2026 12:18

It’s an interesting point that men who are against circumcision aren't visible.

I have been reading the circumcision argument from predominantly women on various internet forums for 20 years. Where are the men having these informal discussions? If I asked my male friends they would be likely be against it but that would also likely be the first conversation they’d ever had about it.

Exactly. It's not circumcised men pushing for it to be banned. Totally different to FGM.

AmpleMintBalonz · 04/01/2026 12:21

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:15

Yeah, so that's not ever part of the discourse around male circumcision in Jewish culture, ever, and you're showing total ignorance about male circumcision and why its done.

Edited

It is probably another reason why wider society normalises the practice when it comes to males but would not condone a similarly invasive and permanent procedure on girls for any reason.

Itsmetheflamingo · 04/01/2026 12:21

AmpleMintBalonz · 04/01/2026 12:16

I believe there are organisations of men against circumcision actually.

Of course there are. But where are the men’s 40 page threads arguing about it?

AmpleMintBalonz · 04/01/2026 12:22

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:19

Yes, there are a few. Totally marginal numbers wise considering nearly 40% of men in the world are circumcised.

Maybe because they feel they cant be connected to their God without it and fear what will happen if they are not.

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:23

Blushingm · 04/01/2026 12:20

Not it’s not a medical fact

The biggest risk is anaesthetic - adults have it under general anaesthetic- babies don’t have any or little anaesthetic

Edited

https://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/circumcision
You can educate yourself here.
You're welcome.

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https://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/circumcision

AmpleMintBalonz · 04/01/2026 12:23

Itsmetheflamingo · 04/01/2026 12:21

Of course there are. But where are the men’s 40 page threads arguing about it?

Probably exist on the internet in spaces we do not frequent. As well as across pub tables and work lunch times. All the men I know LOVE debating topics, regardless of how informed they are about it.

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:24

AmpleMintBalonz · 04/01/2026 12:22

Maybe because they feel they cant be connected to their God without it and fear what will happen if they are not.

Nope. My husband is an atheist and he was circumcised as a baby and totally happy with it

Blushingm · 04/01/2026 12:25

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:23

https://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/circumcision
You can educate yourself here.
You're welcome.

Webmd?🤣🤣🤣

you’ve still not answered how this benefits the child? A legitimate reason as to how chopping off part of his penis is a benefit to him

Blushingm · 04/01/2026 12:25

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:24

Nope. My husband is an atheist and he was circumcised as a baby and totally happy with it

Because he has never had a life not being circumcised!

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:26

AmpleMintBalonz · 04/01/2026 12:21

It is probably another reason why wider society normalises the practice when it comes to males but would not condone a similarly invasive and permanent procedure on girls for any reason.

Nope. FGM is totally different in purpose and impact.
I can promise you males are not marginalised in Islam and judaism

Itsmetheflamingo · 04/01/2026 12:26

AmpleMintBalonz · 04/01/2026 12:23

Probably exist on the internet in spaces we do not frequent. As well as across pub tables and work lunch times. All the men I know LOVE debating topics, regardless of how informed they are about it.

But they don’t. I have participated and witnessed hundreds of threads in women’s forums arguing about circumcision.

I have not once been in the pub with a group of people doing so (or witnessed it during the time I worked in pubs) my husband says he’s never had a conversation about it.

to some extent, internet forums force you to have opinions on things you don’t really care about that much in reality, just so you can participate. I’m convinced this topic is one.

AmpleMintBalonz · 04/01/2026 12:26

Itsmetheflamingo · 04/01/2026 12:18

It’s an interesting point that men who are against circumcision aren't visible.

I have been reading the circumcision argument from predominantly women on various internet forums for 20 years. Where are the men having these informal discussions? If I asked my male friends they would be likely be against it but that would also likely be the first conversation they’d ever had about it.

Do you think so?

I think maybe people ask women their plans for their children from a young age, because they assume they will be mothers and handle such matters. Men dont deal with those particular societal assumptions so are less likely to have the topic thrust upon them in the same way.

sabababa · 04/01/2026 12:27

Blushingm · 04/01/2026 12:25

Because he has never had a life not being circumcised!

Duh. And you know what, he doesnt need mumsnet telling him what he should be feeling about his circumcision 😂
You dont know better!!

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