To think this is silly and unfair to slim women/skinnyphobic?

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I was looking at this swim dress https://snagtights.com/products/only-one-swim-dress-polka for myself. I'm a rather small woman, 45kg and 162cm tall. I usually wear a 4-8, depending on the brand.

Whereas I'm delighted to see that they make it from a 4-38, all of the several models featured in this dress and seemingly almost all on this site, are obese. This is rather odd to me, and a bit annoying as I cannot see what these items would look like on me - if some items look good on skinny women but not on obese women surely the same also applies regarding some items the other way round.

Also seems unfair to me - if underweight women cannot be models because of 'promotion of unhealthy weights' why are these women not affected as well too? Surely a size 38 is not any more healthy than a 0 or 2.

Skinny hate seems to be on the decline, but still disappointing to see the double standard.

No, sorry, I possibly should have mentioned that!

But I have broad shoulders and big boobs and an apple-shape fat distribution on an otherwise very Amazonian figure.

I would monumentally struggle to find clothes if I were so silly as to insist on shopping on sites that showed models of my figure.

OP, you are going to get absolutely rinsed here, but as a petite woman, I feel similarly about the way Snag now markets themselves. It pisses me off too.

When it originally launched it promoted itself as providing well-fitting tights for ALL SIZES. As somebody who is 5'2'' and a size 12/14 they are the only place I can reliably buy tights that fit from and have been doing so for years. Their sizing model, that they still use, considers both size and height in a way no other brand does and it does so effectively.

When I first started buying from them many moons ago, they showed models of... a range of different sizes, including petite women models which you rarely see anywhere (they are all 5'8'' minimum generally). I seem to recall they used to list the sizes the models were wearing in the description so you got an accurate representation of how versatile the sizes really were, size A through to the end of the alphabet.

Now, the women (and occassionally non-binary/trans AMAB) models they display nearly all of their tights and underwear on, are so incredibly morbidly obese, and generally huge, it is more difficult for me to ascertain how these will look/fit me than they are on the 6' size 8 models used everywhere else.

A point that is particuarly pertinent as a petite woman is that plus size models are generally as tall as normal models. The displaying of these clothes on large women (in every direction) really does leave a gap in how short women's clothes are displayed for purchase, that really does seem to be quite invisible for women of average height or above.

YANBU, I like Snag tights but have long thought their website has become material for fetishists. I also did not appreciate a postcard they included in my parcel that featured a cartoon drawing of a girl with mastectomy scars, so they are promoting trans gender ideology. Weird people

There are so many ways in which that's not true. I was very slim as a teen and young woman and it was pure luck, no work involved whatsoever. I ate like crap too. Being thin was absolutely a privilege.

Oh please! Boo hoo! Practically every other website on planet earth has only got slim people on it so larger people can’t see what the items look like on them or even worse they don’t event stock their size.

Order the size you think you need and send it back if it doesn’t look right like fat people have to do all the time. Fat people exist, they deserve to be represented, the demonisation of fat people in society is unkind, unfair and getting very boring. This post and your replies read as very fatphobic.

‘Meeeeeee, meeeeeeee, why isn’t the whole world arranged just for meeeeeeee’ is what I’m hearing.

Given snag were created as a brand to represent larger bodies sizes which have always been hidden and uncatered to when it comes to visual promotion and size inclusivity, whilst every other clothing brand promoted unrealistically skinny bodies as the aspirational model, it is odd to me that someone as teeny tiny petite as you went looking for clothes on that site expecting their visuals to cater specifically to you and not their core audience.

They are size inclusive but as many mainstream brands have done and will continue to do now that everyone is on the fat jabs, they show their clothes on bodies that represent the majority of their audience who spend the most money with them.

Stamping your no doubt teeny tiny little feet about it indicates your dress size may not your only small feature.

The reason its a false equivalence is the lack of aspiration. Very underweight models were banned from adverts because there was evidence that women were pushing themselves to look that way. There's a difference between 'acceptance' and 'aspiration'. I don't hear any women who are pushing themselves to reach their goal of looking more like the models on the Snag website.

I get it's annoying to want to see what something will look like on your frame before you buy it, but that's a different point.

You're in your 60s, and you don't have enough awareness of your own body to be able to look at the cut and shape of a garment and know whether it will work for you, unless it's modelled by a woman the same size?
As a size 10, how do you cope with clothes modelled by size 4/6 women? Or women several inches taller than you? Or by rectangle women if you're an apple? Or by young models who's muscle tone and shape will be different from yours?
The average size 10 woman is no more going to see how clothes look on her from how they look on a typical fashion model than they are on a plus size one.

Are you ok?

There is nothing wrong with the existence of retailers that clothe obese bodies and nothing wrong with obese women being able to buy clothes that are comfortable, pretty and fit them properly. If it's triggering for you to look at obese women having fun in clothes that fit them and make them feel good, revel in the freedom of your slimness and shop elsewhere.

I don’t do snag anymore because of the ‘trans’ views but their tights seem ‘ok’.

I’m a middle of the road size 10/12 person and so have no skin in your particular game/argument but surely you know that bigger women have had this battle for decades don’t you?! The vast vast vast majority of fashion retailers only ever use slim/skinny models to advertise their clothes and it’s only a recent thing that larger models are sometimes being used.

So, just suck it up. Buy them, send em back if they don’t fit, just like untold numbers of bigger women have had to do for decades. No biggie.

Simply choose a retailer that aligns with your values OP …loads of non inclusive, thin privilege retailers to choose from

And here you are!

No, it isn’t. No teenage girls set out to deliberately become obese.
I suspect you know this perfectly well.
Why were you looking at a site specialising in clothing in very large sizes when the vast majority of manufacturers cater for you but not them?

Obvious troll is obvious

Just taken a look. As an outsider consumer, I would assume from their photos that they're a brand primarily for overweight women. The great majority of the models are either overweight or obese and some look grossly obese.

Wow.

What size do you class obese? How did you go from an obese size to a size 4?

Being dangerously underweight from starving yourself/ having an eating disorder is not comparable to being obese.
There are mainly medium to longer term potential health problems from obesity.
Anorexia/ bullemia nervosa can and do cause serious life threatening complications or death in otherwise healthy, young people in a relatively very short time frame.
I’ve been on eating disorder wards and seen it with my own eyes.
If you don’t understand the distinction, google “thinspiration”.
That is what young/ impressionable people need to be protected against seeing as normal, not a healthy size 6 person.
And the overweight equivalent in terms of immediate health problems is never featured in clothes ads either.
This topic comes up regularly on here and people are either being deliberately obtuse about it or else they are a bit dim.

It's not just her - there are quite a few of us fatties who'd like to understand what the problem is with us being able to see what clothes will look like on bodies like ours before we buy them

Just be glad you're skinny and buy a swimming costume from literally anywhere 😅 You're overthinking it.

What a shame.

So you are the size I was at 22 - though then it was called size 12 and thought rather large (!), size 10 (equivalent to 2 - 4 now) was the norm for a young woman. You are objecting to larger women modelling clothes. But you are looking at a site for larger women...Anywhere else and minute to skinny models will be on show and you can see how clothes will look on you - roughly.
Myself, I am amazed at body shapes now. Apart from women who are demonstrably too heavy for health (sad) I see other women with knock knees and hollow thighs described as having nice legs. Weird.