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Aibu to cancel order from fox hunting supporting company?

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Henrysmycat · 27/12/2025 09:02

I know in the grand scheme of things, it’s a first world problem but we ordered our kitchen from Neptune. The shop was close by, the styles were what fits the house and the people selling were cooperative.
To my surprise, I opened socials today to find out, that they support fox hunting with those stupid costumes, horses, dogs and all the pretentiousness. Seriously, Neptune think that the Ultra high networth people will go for their products instead of bespoke or some other eye watering expensive brand like Clive Christian or Officine Gullo hence the support? And when I commented it, they delete my comments.
Am I wrong to cancel my kitchen as I have time to do it.
I’m not one of those totalitarian vegans but a blood sport like this in 2025 in Britain?

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Eyeshadow · 27/12/2025 11:59

Definitely cancel OP.

Its disgusting how they are openly supporting this.

Why do small dick men (and the wannabe women) need to kill innocent animals to feel big - just buy a sports car or get a hair transplant FFS.

EezyOozy · 27/12/2025 12:00

At one extreme are the horse riders who just want to experience the thrill of galloping across country and jumping fences, and the social aspect with their friends

Why not just do that then? Why dress up in exactly the same way as fox hunters and use dogs who are trained to hunt and kill foxes?

Just in case anyone is in any doubt what trail hunting looks like in 2025

https://www.league.org.uk/news-and-resources/news/brazen-hunt-threw-fox-to-hounds-to-be-ripped-apart/

There are hundreds and hundreds of examples like this. But some on here will insist that this seldom happens, or “oopsie” it was an accident. And yes.. it was filmes by the Hunt Sabs Association, as they are the organisation that films and exposes these things. Who else is going to do it? We can see factually what is happening here.

BurntBroccoli · 27/12/2025 12:08

Miranda65 · 27/12/2025 11:42

They will not be supporting fox hunting, because it is illegal.
They may support trail hunting, though.

I think it's fantastic that there has been a show of support for trail hunts this week, in the face of some pretty nasty "class warfare" and attacks on rural life from the Government.
However, you can cancel an order if you wish, OP - you have a free choice. And I might do the same re certain other issues.
That's the beauty of living in a free and democratic country- there is space for all sorts of views and opinions.

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It’s not an attack on rural life. Plenty of people grew up and live in the countryside and abhor fox trail hunting. This includes many farmers around here - they often trample their crops.

Stilish · 27/12/2025 12:10

TheQuirkyMaker · 27/12/2025 11:34

Trail hunting is fox hunting, but given a different name to circumvent the law.

How often do you go hunting? Or are you just repeating what you read in the comments section of Facebook?

We trail hunt every week. It is so wearing reading comments of people repeating the same ‘oh it’s just a smokescreen’ when you know they’re just repeating what they’ve read, and that they’ve never been anywhere near a trail hunt and probably don’t even live in the countryside.

BurntBroccoli · 27/12/2025 12:12

backinthebox · 27/12/2025 11:49

So many different takes on what has actually probably happened here, all of them with a possible grain of truth. However, the fact remains that hunting of a living animal using hounds or dogs is illegal in the U.K. Trail hunting is legal. And we don’t even know whether this pack in the photo are a trail hunting or drag hunt - they are often mixed up and the differences misunderstood by the general population. They are (just out of the numbers involved across the U.K.) probably trail hunting though. Unfortunately, across the entire population of people who follow trail hunts, there is (as with many things) a broad spectrum of attitudes.

At one extreme are the horse riders who just want to experience the thrill of galloping across country and jumping fences, and the social aspect with their friends. The hunts close to where I live the hunts (which include 2 packs of Draghounds, 2 packs of bloodhounds, and several packs of foxhounds) put on point to points, pub quizzes, winter and summer balls, charity auctions, horse shows, open days at kennels and stables, parades and displays at large country events such as county shows, clay pigeon shoots, fun rides and sponsored rides, pub evenings, and more. For many members of rural communities they provide a huge component of their social lives.

It is tempting to believe, if you want to, that every single person who has ever had a fleeting glance in the direction of a hunting-related event is a bloodthirsty monster keen to rip a fox to pieces and paint its fresh blood on the faces of their children. But they are not. They just want to enjoy their horse and time with friends in a legal and non-harmful way - which trail hunting is when it is done correctly. Suggesting that all people who follow trail hunts, or take part in any events organised by them, support killing of foxes is somewhat like suggesting all football supporters are lagered-up brick-throwing hooligans prowling the streets after a football match looking for a fight to start with the oppositions’ supporters and failing that just doing a bit of looting before going home to beat their wives. This is absolutely not the case - most football fans just enjoy watching 2 teams kicking a ball full of air around a very neat grass field, and perhaps chatting with their mates about the most exciting bits of the match in the pub afterwards (I can’t understand this myself but each to their own!)

Just as the hooligans to exist though, there are unfortunately less desirable elements in trail hunting. Given the opportunity, they would love to return to a pre-ban world. This has never been acceptable and never will be, but it is deeply ingrained in some dark corners of the countryside. This element is the same sort of person who will pull farmer’s gates off their fields so they can illegally course for hares, who will steal a quad bike and then kill the policeman sent to stop them (this happened less than a mile from me.) They are the poachers, and also those who shoot protected rare birds of prey that might interfere with their pheasant rearing. Quite how the regular, law abiding trail hunter who really just wants to ride their pony following a smelly rag is supposed to bring these characters to order, I do not know. They have no more power to stop this than a family enjoying watching their favourite football team have to stop a post match riot taking place. This does not mean all football must be banned though.

@Henrysmycat your words “stupid costumes, horses, dogs and all the pretentiousness” highlight which direction your thoughts are coming from. If any one of those things - wearing the clothing associated with your sport, riding a horse, owning a dog, or being pretentious - are illegal, then call the police.

I do not follow any hunt, but have grown up in the countryside and have followed many hunts (trail, drag and bloodhound) in the past and know many people in those communities. I’ve seen much ignorance and many inaccurate posts on social media over the last few days as trail hunting has been in the news. But I’m also a great believer in sticking to your principles so if the OP wishes to cancel her order for a kitchen based on a single ‘look what happened outside our shop today’ post on Facebook, then good for them. Like others, I have not set foot in a Lush shop since it became clear they fund guerilla action groups who break the law and cause criminal damage, as well as inciting hatred of the police. I also won’t buy meat I know to be cheaply and cruelly produced, or buy clothing I know to be made in Indian and far east sweat shops, and I try not to buy anything with palm oil in it, or anything from a company that supports Mermaids or Stonewall for their stance towards vulnerable children. Once you start to look more deeply into it, it becomes quite tricky to buy anything at all without shedding the odd principle along the way!

They don’t need to keep fox hounds then. Just do clean boot hunting and don’t use and train the hounds with non animal scents and fox cubs.

EezyOozy · 27/12/2025 12:15

Stilish · 27/12/2025 12:10

How often do you go hunting? Or are you just repeating what you read in the comments section of Facebook?

We trail hunt every week. It is so wearing reading comments of people repeating the same ‘oh it’s just a smokescreen’ when you know they’re just repeating what they’ve read, and that they’ve never been anywhere near a trail hunt and probably don’t even live in the countryside.

I live in the countryside and abhor trail hunting and am very well informed.

Sesma · 27/12/2025 12:15

Why would you ask a bunch of strangers, haven't you got your own mind for a purchase as big as this, it's not a new dress you are buying or something small like that.

BurntBroccoli · 27/12/2025 12:16

Stilish · 27/12/2025 12:10

How often do you go hunting? Or are you just repeating what you read in the comments section of Facebook?

We trail hunt every week. It is so wearing reading comments of people repeating the same ‘oh it’s just a smokescreen’ when you know they’re just repeating what they’ve read, and that they’ve never been anywhere near a trail hunt and probably don’t even live in the countryside.

How do you explain this then?
Claire Marshall
Role, BBC Environment & Rural Affairs Correspondent
15 October 2021

“A senior fox hunter has been found guilty of encouraging and assisting people to evade the ban on fox hunting.
Recordings of Mark Hankinson, a director of the Master of Foxhounds Association, speaking to around 100 senior hunters in two private webinars in August 2020 were leaked online.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58654916

Fox hunt rider on a horse with hounds in front

Mark Hankinson: Top huntsman guilty of encouraging illegal fox hunting

The senior huntsman gave the hunting advice in private webinars that were leaked online.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58654916

Stilish · 27/12/2025 12:19

BurntBroccoli · 27/12/2025 12:16

How do you explain this then?
Claire Marshall
Role, BBC Environment & Rural Affairs Correspondent
15 October 2021

“A senior fox hunter has been found guilty of encouraging and assisting people to evade the ban on fox hunting.
Recordings of Mark Hankinson, a director of the Master of Foxhounds Association, speaking to around 100 senior hunters in two private webinars in August 2020 were leaked online.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58654916

250,000 days trail hunting since the ban.

Fewer than 50 convictions, despite sabs filming every meet.

NO law is never ever broken. Not one.
THIS law is very well adhered to, as the above figures say. I absolutely condemn anyone breaking this law, as do most trail hunting people, because we don’t want to see them spoil it for vast majority who are law abiding.

If the government were really bothered about animal cruelty, there are plenty of other things they could do….but animal welfare really isn’t the point here for the government.

Millytante · 27/12/2025 12:19

HerVagestyTheQueef · 27/12/2025 11:04

I guess they’re sort of similar: boxing and foxing; fox hunting and box hunting.

It’s easiest to just cancel them both to avoid confusion.

Both involve dumb animals, so there’s that.

Sesma · 27/12/2025 12:22

The kitchens don't look that nice anyway, you could get better

MargoylesofBeelzebub · 27/12/2025 12:24

Very few convictions doesn't mean very few foxes were killed. It's hard to prove intent to kill a fox if trail hunting sometimes ends up in a "whoopsie" fox ripped to shreds.

Salvadoridory · 27/12/2025 12:24

The crap being posted is akin to the placards waved outside abortion clinics. I cant get in a spin about hunting when slaughter is still so barbarically cruel and staffed by morons with no governance in place. Its just because it tends to be posh people that it gets so much hatred. Meanwhile people walk into supermarkets and help themselves with no consequence, its not safe to walk home alone if you are a woman and people are dying every day from being neglected by a poorly run and morally corrupt health service. Hunting just isnt a big deal in the scheme of things unless you are s sixth former or a pot smoking loser who never grew up. Grow up!

Millytante · 27/12/2025 12:25

You might enjoy a momentary loss of consciousness on learning that here in Ireland, Sinn Féin (whose patchy general agenda should at least be reliable on a topic such as fox hunting, fer gawd’s sake) refused this week to support a ban when such was put before the Dáil (parliament), enabling the Bill to be defeated.

I think I’ll go and eat worms ☹️

ChocolateBiscuitsandaCuppa · 27/12/2025 12:25

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They made a choice (a wrong, inhumane, disgusting one), and they won't change their mind unless more and more people make it clear what they're doing is unacceptable.

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PodMom · 27/12/2025 12:27

Stilish · 27/12/2025 12:19

250,000 days trail hunting since the ban.

Fewer than 50 convictions, despite sabs filming every meet.

NO law is never ever broken. Not one.
THIS law is very well adhered to, as the above figures say. I absolutely condemn anyone breaking this law, as do most trail hunting people, because we don’t want to see them spoil it for vast majority who are law abiding.

If the government were really bothered about animal cruelty, there are plenty of other things they could do….but animal welfare really isn’t the point here for the government.

How can you say no law is ever broken when also admitting there’s been 50 convictions? 🤷‍♀️. I accept the point there’s not been many convictions but you can’t say the law is never broken as it obviously has been. I do also believe the sabs that the police aren’t keen to prosecute, the sabs can’t keep up with horses on foot easily so may well miss/not film a lot of stuff. Even when there’s been footage of hounds killing a fox there’s not always been a prosecution as the hunt say they’re very sorry, they didn’t mean it and tried to call the hounds off 🤨🧐

Anyway OP, I’d 100% cancel. I wouldn’t even join the national trust while they still allowed trail hunting on their land and joined the Scottish National trust instead (also £5 cheaper).

Genevieva · 27/12/2025 12:27

You can cancel for any reason you want, but be careful not to cut off your nose to spite your face. If you prefer what they sell or you prefer the price or done other factor, you Jay be better off sticking with it. Ultimately, people have all sorts of opinions we disagree with, but part of being civilised is finding away to accept those differences and rub along.

Stilish · 27/12/2025 12:31

MargoylesofBeelzebub · 27/12/2025 12:24

Very few convictions doesn't mean very few foxes were killed. It's hard to prove intent to kill a fox if trail hunting sometimes ends up in a "whoopsie" fox ripped to shreds.

It really does, the sabs follow every day and film everything. If it really was just business as usual with a new name, as Liam on Facebook comments claims, the prosecution rate would be through the roof.

Stilish · 27/12/2025 12:32

PodMom · 27/12/2025 12:27

How can you say no law is ever broken when also admitting there’s been 50 convictions? 🤷‍♀️. I accept the point there’s not been many convictions but you can’t say the law is never broken as it obviously has been. I do also believe the sabs that the police aren’t keen to prosecute, the sabs can’t keep up with horses on foot easily so may well miss/not film a lot of stuff. Even when there’s been footage of hounds killing a fox there’s not always been a prosecution as the hunt say they’re very sorry, they didn’t mean it and tried to call the hounds off 🤨🧐

Anyway OP, I’d 100% cancel. I wouldn’t even join the national trust while they still allowed trail hunting on their land and joined the Scottish National trust instead (also £5 cheaper).

I said ‘no law is never broken.’ Re read.

Serencwtch · 27/12/2025 12:32

They don't support 'fox hunting' which has been illegal in the UK for sometime.

They were speaking out in support of trail hunting, which is different. Yes some use it as a smokescreen for illegal fox hunting but most don't.

I went hunting yesterday & there was definitely no foxes chased or killed.

Today I've been out on our local heath & witnessed at least a dozen out of control pet dogs chase squirrels, rabbits, pheasants etc.

There was an accident Xmas eve where a child on a pony was chased by 2 dogs sustained a head injury & horse bolted across a main A road.

Labour are desperately trying to win over the working class voters. It's hot nothing to do with animal welfare & everything to do with a sinking political party.

DurinsBane · 27/12/2025 12:33

billysboy · 27/12/2025 09:08

Neptune are only posh Howdens so I would cancel based on that

Howdens isn’t cheap so how much is Neptune?!

Sesma · 27/12/2025 12:34

Maybe don't take so much notice of the 'socials' and think for yourself for once

BadgernTheGarden · 27/12/2025 12:36

That just sounds like a comment on what was happening in the town centre, hardly 'we want to bring back fox hunting'.

Up to you if you cancel, but you could lose your deposit or cost of very specific non-standard items, read the small print first!

Catlover77 · 27/12/2025 12:36

Salvadoridory · 27/12/2025 12:24

The crap being posted is akin to the placards waved outside abortion clinics. I cant get in a spin about hunting when slaughter is still so barbarically cruel and staffed by morons with no governance in place. Its just because it tends to be posh people that it gets so much hatred. Meanwhile people walk into supermarkets and help themselves with no consequence, its not safe to walk home alone if you are a woman and people are dying every day from being neglected by a poorly run and morally corrupt health service. Hunting just isnt a big deal in the scheme of things unless you are s sixth former or a pot smoking loser who never grew up. Grow up!

Plenty of well-adjusted human beings still get a spin about this barbaric practice. They are certainly grown-up.

Chattanoogachoo · 27/12/2025 12:37

Millytante · 27/12/2025 12:25

You might enjoy a momentary loss of consciousness on learning that here in Ireland, Sinn Féin (whose patchy general agenda should at least be reliable on a topic such as fox hunting, fer gawd’s sake) refused this week to support a ban when such was put before the Dáil (parliament), enabling the Bill to be defeated.

I think I’ll go and eat worms ☹️

Have a look at their record on hare coursing.